Mainstream media yawns as Kucinich offers impeachment

[tgwinn]

Re: Mainstream media yawns as Kucinich offers impeachment

I understand where you are coming from there.. I actually don't claim one party or the other... I do however claim to be a conservative.  If there is a democrat that votes the way I believe, then I would be happy to vote for him... same goes for republican, independent, etc... This election I really don't like either candidate.....haven't quite decided what I am going to do yet..lol  May just vote libertarian and be done with it.

[Darbex]

Re: Mainstream media yawns as Kucinich offers impeachment

I think Kucinich is wrong for the additional gas tax because like tgwinn says they will pass the cost to us they are a business and thats what a business does so that it can make a profit. Gas prices are not really the creation of the oil companies. The problem is with the government and speculators. An idea that I believe will help solve the some of the problem that Kucinich made and as much as I hate to agree with that man. The government needs to go after the speculators who are driving up the price with no real reason. And that would be a two pronged attack on them but punishing them legally and to show the government is serious by stop this stupid oil reserve build up the government controls hundreds of million gallon of oil locked away in the event of another oil shortage of the 70's but we are almost upon that now and if the government were to drop that on the market gas prices would immediately drop by a dollar or 2 a gallon and causing many of the speculators to lose a lot of money if not go bankrupt. Ok that is my last rant on this topic unless there is something else that draws my attention :wink:

[wesleydnunder]

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Technically, it's not a tax hike. It's simply taking back very large tax breaks given to the oil companies. Will it cause gas prices to rise? Of course. Wind blowing and days whose names end in "y" cause gas prices to rise.

Personally, regardless of his ability as the former mayor or whatever, I think Kucinich is a hero for having the guts to stand up and do what's right. Do I believe that anything will come of it? Nope. To me that doesn't make the effort any less laudable.

One of the most famous prosecutors in the country, Vincent Bulyosi, has written a book named, "The Prosecution of George W. Bush For Murder". His most famous case to date was probably the prosecution of Charles Manson. He makes what he calls an airtight case in his book for the charges against Dubya and says he fully intends to see G.W. in court after he leaves office. I listened to him outlining his case this morning and I really hope he puts Bush in prison.

Mark

[Delock]

Re: Mainstream media yawns as Kucinich offers impeachment

I think Kucinich is wrong for the additional gas tax because like tgwinn says they will pass the cost to us they are a business and thats what a business does so that it can make a profit. Gas prices are not really the creation of the oil companies. The problem is with the government and speculators. An idea that I believe will help solve the some of the problem that Kucinich made and as much as I hate to agree with that man. The government needs to go after the speculators who are driving up the price with no real reason. And that would be a two pronged attack on them but punishing them legally and to show the government is serious by stop this stupid oil reserve build up the government controls hundreds of million gallon of oil locked away in the event of another oil shortage of the 70's but we are almost upon that now and if the government were to drop that on the market gas prices would immediately drop by a dollar or 2 a gallon and causing many of the speculators to lose a lot of money if not go bankrupt. Ok that is my last rant on this topic unless there is something else that draws my attention :wink:

Darbex.....who pay the  speculators?   Oil companies!

[geoff_tropheus]

Re: Mainstream media yawns as Kucinich offers impeachment

Credit Card Companies and Banks

Gas price has to be such that the business will make a profit on people that pay with cash, debit, or credit card.

So they set the price at the pump to cover the worst case...the credit card.

[wesleydnunder]

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The oil companies have managed to make record profits every quarter, so apparently the credit card companies are paying their bills. However, to me that excuse for gas being 4 dollars a gallon is just as thin as the rest of the excuses that change almost daily.

Mark

[geoff_tropheus]

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Ofcoarse you will make record profits each quarter.  When ever has gas been $4 a gallon.

I think 3 years ago it dipped below $2 but since that time nothing but up and up.  Ofcoarse your going to make records.

Everytime you use a credit card not only does the bank make money on your re-paymnet but it also charges the vendor 5% to 10%.

So if you carry a balance, that bank made 15% on you plus 10% on them. 25% every sale.

I usually always pay in cash, but I just get a huge snicker in me each time, I see those VISA comercials, where the person paying in cash or with check wrecks the line or something..man what a marketing tool that is..

[geoff_tropheus]

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High gas price.

why is it high?

Gas is traded in US dollars, and the US dollar is losing value every day.

why is that?

Goverment overspending, downturns in our industrial sector, and weakening economy.

Why is that?

Iraq war, ilegal immigrants, baby boomers retiring, enviromental laws, China and India Industrializing, and people having less money to spend on manufactured goods and other finished products.

Why is that...our Elected Officals.

VOTE for the Challenger, OUST every incumbant no matter what their party affiliation.

[wesleydnunder]

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Darbex, I think we were talking about two different taxxes. You were referring to the proposed Windfall Profits Tax? You're right, I think. The price at the pump will just go up to cover it, but the additional taxxes will go into the coffers to pay for the war started on behalf of those companies. I realize that cost is born by us, but the gtovernment's deficit will have to be paid by us one way or another.

Mark

[wesleydnunder]

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VOTE for the Challenger, OUST every incumbant no matter what their party affiliation.

On this point I wholeheartedly agree. I always try to vote against the incumbent. Once these parisites become entrenched in the system, we lose.

Mark

[Delock]

Re: Mainstream media yawns as Kucinich offers impeachment

Yes we can! because McCain will follow right in Bush footsteps!

[tgwinn]

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No offense intended, Delock but that is the democratic talking point of nonsense, i can spout the republican nonsense and say that Obama will be another 4 years of Jimmy Carter....but you are a smart guy and i would hope that you don't truely believe either one of those things...

[Darbex]

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a couple of things. Speculators are not paid by the oil companies just like stock speculators are not paid by the companies whos stock they are trading. I am talking about the tax that would be charged on the oil companies profit as an additional tax to the company. I talked about this in another post and maybe no matter how loud I yell some just will believe what they want to believe and there is no changing it. Are oil companies net profit extremely large? yes, however, look at it as a percent of the revenues they are operating in the 10% range most companies operate at the same range but they do not have the large revenues. Now why is there revenues so large? go look at the volume of products they are moving. We consume oil like its water in a year Exxon by itself sells tens if not hundreds of million gallons a year. If Target sold that much product then they profits would be enormous too and we would all be complaining about Targets profits but they like oil companies operate at about 10% profit. Go after the Banking industry since they regularly operate at 20-30%. Lastly, it is in my opinion and not to offend anyone but a complete waste of time to go after Bush and say he is a criminal and be put in prison. By that standard every politician in this country and the world should be charged. Are we going to charge Bill Clinton for his attacks on Bosnia & Afghanistan or his lack to do anything in Sudan. Should we lock up the leaders of every country for there intel saying that Iraq posed a real and serious threat because Clinton and every leader of every free nation all said that Iraq must be dealt with but no one had the guts to do it. You can look that up for yourselves if you think I am making that up.

[tgwinn]

Re: Mainstream media yawns as Kucinich offers impeachment

well said....well said. :)

[geoff_tropheus]

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Banks make more profit than anyone else.

But...maybee they should, because no matter what they have the money.