The Presidential Debate

[mrairportjunke]

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hum.  internet dont lie.. lol.  guess i did say something about my *** first.

at least bush cartel isnt endoresed by terrorist and priest who hate the USA

[Nickintex]

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[alexarae]

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McCain isn't Bush...he's just not.
Like McCain told Obama...if he wanted to run against the Bush administration, he should have run 4 years ago.

I love Powell and I love Rice...but who they endorse won't change who I vote for.
Most Republicans these days will tell the Bush cartel to "shove it".

[marauder_77868]

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Hmmn...."cartel"...let's see...

NOUN:

1. A combination of independent business organizations formed to regulate production, pricing, and marketing of goods by the members.
No...don't think this is the one

2. An official agreement between governments at war, especially one concerning the exchange of prisoners.
Nah...this one doesn't sound quite right either

3. A group of parties, factions, or nations united in a common cause; a bloc.
A common cause...this must be the one! Man that just sounds so evil! How dare George Bush have a cause!

[mrairportjunke]

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marauder you make me laugh.  lol.  dam how much time do yo uspend researchin for your posts. lol.  keep em comin

[Nickintex]

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marauder you make me laugh.  lol.  dam how much time do yo uspend researchin for your posts. lol.  keep em comin

Some one has a lot of free time apparently!

[alexarae]

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Maybe he's just educated.  

[Nickintex]

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Maybe he's just educated.  

Maybe.
Doesn't mean I'm convinced!

[jklntx]

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Interesting.  When the subject pains (Colin Powell possibly endorsing Obama) one finds another track (definition of cartel) to avoid the subject. Not sure it indicated education level (and I do not suggest the writer is not well educated) but it sure indicates the writer is human.

[jklntx]

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From Politico.com

"McCain has too many neocons working for him," said one Republican source familiar with Powell's thinking.


neocons (not true conservatives) has been the nemesis of the Republican Party. Bush and his cartel are tried and true neocons. I'm with Powell's thinking....I don't want another neocon cartel.

McCain is not the man of 2000. He is definitely flailing and thrashing about like a ship without sails cut loose from its moorings during a storm. Now he has changed from using Ayers ( a Karl Rove influence) and now focusing on Obama's tax plan.

Shame on McCain to losing sight of who he is and resorting to blatant "I need to compromise my values to get elected" (neocons and Palin)...true conservative Republicans, all, need to scourge the party of this influence. Hopefully, moving forward,  the next 4 years will clean them out and get the Republican party back on track.

[marauder_77868]

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I didn't address the Powell endorsement because it hadn't happened. I can't agree, of course, with that endorsement because even though I agree with some of your Neocon logic, I don't think putting a socialist in office is a better alternative. McCain is focusing on the tax plan now because Obama "let the cat our of the bag". He's for wealth redistribution and that's surely a policy that the people can understand and stand against. Now I cetainly agree that McCain isn't the ideal Republican. I didn't vote for him in the primary (I voted for Fred Thompson). But when the other alternative is a socialist that will put our country on a faster track toward that end, my choice, and hopefully America's choice, will be pretty clear.

It will be interesting to watch, however, if Powell does endorse Obama, to see the liberals suddenly embrace him. Hisopinion will suddenly be very valuable and wise to them when it happens to agree with their own. When you're watching the feedback, remember that these people were the ones questioning his "blackness", calling him a "house EDIT", etc. Maybe they won't embrace him....but it will be interesting, and very telling, to see.

[alexarae]

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That wealth distribution plan is actually disgusting.
I know that "equality" is the American dream but the world will never ever be equal, it's impossible. (Although it's a wonderful notion).

It's greed, not only by the cooperate big-shots but by all Americans.
Some people just get lucky, some people just luck out; you can't redistribute their wealth. It's theirs.
I'm not saying that these people at the top deserve it. I'm just saying that if you want something, go work for it. Don't wait
for someone else to hand it to you.
Their money isn't yours and it isn't mine. It doesn't matter how they got or as Obama said "stole it".
I'm not condoning embezzlement or manipulating the markets but there are still many top CEO/CFO's that work
hard for their money. You need to persecute the individuals not the whole group.

[marauder_77868]

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The terms "equality" and "equal opportunity" are sadly interchanged in society (probably to an end) and we have become complacent in correcting people. America is not about everyone being "equal", except as regards to rights. America is not about "equality", except as regard treatment under the law. What America IS about is EQUAL OPPORTUNITY. So when the liberals talk about "equality" they are using it as a term to promote some sort of class envy. We have taken great steps to make sure everyone has equal opportunity. That is the American system and how it is supposed to be. When liberals talk about equality they are pretty much talking about socialism as a means to advance it.

[Nickintex]

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That is the American system and how it is supposed to be. When liberals talk about equality they are pretty much talking about socialism as a means to advance it.

:think:

[jklntx]

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It will be interesting...I am not a liberal I am a slightly to the right middle roader....I consider myself an independent.

However, I see Obama as a needed change..socialist or not. The neocons have steered the country so far out of whack we need a drastic change to begin to steer itself back to the center. My concern has been McCain has allied to strongly with the neocons. His choice of Palin was a sellout to the neocons.  he has used Rove to influence his campaign. I am very concerned with more strong neocon influence in this country. It sounds like Powell(who I admire a great deal ) and I are on the same page on this one.

Second but no less important...McCain subscribes to Bush's War against Muslim extremists. Creating a battleground in Iraq with the idea the extremists will assemble there to attack the infidel invaders failed. Actually, I believe this concept was more Cheney than Bush..but then I don't think Bush is bright enough to think for himself anyway.  Powell did not like how he was used as a Cheney pawn and I was glad to see him leave with his honor. Can't say the same for Rove and Rumsfield.

The Battle  should have never left Afghanistan and needs to move into the mountains of Western Pakistan. The fact that Osama bin Laden is still free galls me to no end. That Bush has failed all these years to capture or kill him is unfathomable. This prime objective should have remained his top priority and should have happened swiftly. That would have been a message the extremists understand. This is what the Israeli's do when there borders are compromised by an enemy.  I heard Obama early on support this strategy and understand that is his plan. The Arab mindset,  more precisely the Arab extremists, understands that message. Bush's failure to get the prime objective has been too costly.

Anyway, we cannot make people accept the American idea of democracy. It plain does not work. Even now, the Iraqis are growing in numbers to get the Americans out and leave the country to themselves.  It was a mistake...we lost this battle (Iraq is bit a battle in the larger War on Terror..it is not the war itself) lets regroup and attack from a sounder position. Continuing to waste billions and lives make no sense to me. And McCain underlying pain from being a humiliated POW clouds his judgment and motivates him to want to win "the War". (He never got over pulling out of Vietnam).

And so I do NOT support McCain. Obama is the best of the two. He certainly is not perfect by any stretch, but he will cause less damage with his ideas than McCain continuing the failures of Bush.

We are now part of the global stage.  Countries take those parts of us that work for them...but they will never be us.
Nor are they obliged to make our lives safer. They are concerned with their own lives and will determine what is best for them...not by what we tell them.
Lets join the world stage as part of it.....we are one of the leaders for certain...we are not its sole savior.