Salt water idea

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The point is that more maintenance is not the determining factor of success or failure. It's whether you are able to keep alive healthy livestock.

It's one of the criterias.

Why would you want to do something that makes you so tired that causes you to get rid of the tank?

[rage]

They are apples to oranges only in the fact that one is fresh and one is salt. But the overall concepts are the same. SW tanks are much easier to keep than discus.

Not that.
Discuss tank is not the same as Cichlid tank.

Keeping a Discuss with less maintenance > Keeping discuss tank with high maintenance.

Keeping a salt FOWLR tank with less maintenance > Keeping a salt FOWLR tank with high maintenance.
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[Darbex]

Salt water idea

The point is that more maintenance is not the determining factor of success or failure. It's whether you are able to keep alive healthy livestock.

[Darbex]

Salt water idea

They are apples to oranges only in the fact that one is fresh and one is salt. But the overall concepts are the same. SW tanks are much easier to keep than discus.

[rage]

I completely disagree. A successful tank is one that doesn't kill everything in it. Very little maintenance or a lot of maintenance is just a choice. It has nothing to do with success. Because if that were the case, all tanks are failures because they are not rivers, lakes, oceans, etc.

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Strange arguments.

If you think minimal maintenance is not a criteria in saying a tank is successful then how do you like to keep a tank that requires 2 hours of maintenance a day? How about 4 hrs a day? Where is the line for you?

[rage]

Just because you have to clean a tank more often then yours doesn't mean it's a failure. Discus tanks require a lot of maintenance relative to Africans.

Apples and oranges.

[mistahoo]

Re: Salt water idea

If you get tired of cleaning out detritus and feeding then I wouldn't count that a success.
A successful tank requires very little maintenance.
My tank is only half way decent but I don't do hardly anything but changing out 20-25% water and clean skimmer cup every month, sometimes 2 months. I add ATO water once a week. If I get tired of feeding I could feed flakes with auto fish feeder and then I don't even have to do that.
I have enjoyed this tank for the past 3, 4 years on that schedule and I imagine I can keep this tank for a long long time.

I completely disagree. A successful tank is one that doesn't kill everything in it. Very little maintenance or a lot of maintenance is just a choice. It has nothing to do with success. Because if that were the case, all tanks are failures because they are not rivers, lakes, oceans, etc.

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[Darbex]

Salt water idea

Just because you have to clean a tank more often then yours doesn't mean it's a failure. Discus tanks require a lot of maintenance relative to Africans.

[rage]

.. In the end, that tank (tap water mix as well) did amazingly well with a bio-load triple of what the tank size was and all lived in harmony. Params where better than that of most reef tanks with all the new fancy gadgetry.

If you get tired of cleaning out detritus and feeding then I wouldn't count that a success.
A successful tank requires very little maintenance.
My tank is only half way decent but I don't do hardly anything but changing out 20-25% water and clean skimmer cup every month, sometimes 2 months. I add ATO water once a week. If I get tired of feeding I could feed flakes with auto fish feeder and then I don't even have to do that.
I have enjoyed this tank for the past 3, 4 years on that schedule and I imagine I can keep this tank for a long long time.

[rage]

I think we all know who's won this debate by a landslide. Another person successful with keeping multiple damsels is Scorpioswife. She's got 3 damsels that were getting along and the one I had was a mean one. Last I heard they were getting along.

I believe in packing the tank with fish if they are aggressive. It disperses that aggression so well. It works with freshwater fish, why not try it out for saltwater fish? What's so wrong with that?

I don't know why it has to be win and lose with you and eklikewhoa?
We just share experience. If you really want to count, try dozens and dozens of other salty websites and see how many people agree with you.

[rage]

I have had yellow tangs school in my 330. I got a mean yellow tang from a guy put it in my tank and he became besties with my other.

2 tangs is not a school. Also a 330g is a lot of space. How many people on here has a 330g?

[rage]

I couldn't have said it better than myself!!

So why are we trying to mimic that of the ocean?
Why are we reading all the information that is given to us about the species when observed in the wild?
Why would it be so wrong for someone to keep the species in a setting not appointed by some researcher when to begin with they are not in the same setting?

We try to adapt and provide for them the way we deem fit or for some, how some internet profile tells them to. Regardless of which way none would be nearly close to what they were taken from.

I mentioned the ocean only because mnemenoi suggested that fish school in the ocean -> hence they are better in a school in our tank.

As an aside, do they maintain large schools in the wild? This would suggest that this approach might have more merit then solitary types.

One expert or one person with experience says something does not mean the absolute law of fish keeping but when a whole lot of them say it, based on a whole lot of experience then it means something.

[mistahoo]

I think we all know who's won this debate by a landslide. Another person successful with keeping multiple damsels is Scorpioswife. She's got 3 damsels that were getting along and the one I had was a mean one. Last I heard they were getting along.

I believe in packing the tank with fish if they are aggressive. It disperses that aggression so well. It works with freshwater fish, why not try it out for saltwater fish? What's so wrong with that?

[eklikewhoa]

Rage, If you have had different experiences other than the single time you attempted to have a damsel in your tank without luck it would be great to hear.

This way we can compare all of our personal experiences and for those that find this thread at a later date can base their decision off of what has been attempted prior.


I had a lot of the same mentality tell me my old macro algae wave tank wouldn't work and that the amount of bio-load I had was a disaster waiting to happen but yet not a single one could tell me why other than what as read and repeated from the internet source with no link. In the end, that tank (tap water mix as well) did amazingly well with a bio-load triple of what the tank size was and all lived in harmony. Params where better than that of most reef tanks with all the new fancy gadgetry.


There has been a lot of change with the hobby but I can tell you that growing up you didn't see fancy lights, $1000 controllers, all this filtration equipment we have today, most of the nicer tanks I have seen back then were ran with an undergravel filter with a bubble maker and maybe a powerhead.

[Darbex]

I have had yellow tangs school in my 330. I got a mean yellow tang from a guy put it in my tank and he became besties with my other.