Idiots who get ehat they deserve

[fshfrk]

I remember once I was a Beechnut and Corprate at a convinence store back in 1977. I lived right around the corner. On the other end of the strip center was The Butch Cassidy Club. While I was pumping my gas when 2 drunken meth heads tried to strong arm rob me and steal my car i fought back. I never got my gas and took off across the street and called the HPD. When The cop showed up he kept calling me a turd and saying it was a drug deal gone bad. He threatened to take me to jail. He was a FAH. that was the same time Joe Compes Torres went flying off of the bridge. I hated cops for many years after that but now I'm over it.

[jeebus]

I remember once I was a Beechnut and Corprate at a convinence store back in 1977. I lived right around the corner.

This is my second due territory. Alot of my older officers say they lived around this area around the same time. They say it was THE side of town to be seen. Pool parties in every complex every weekend.

This was just a few blocks east at Jorine in 2007:

[ImaGuyGeek]

You know, if the cop would have handled his business on the first lady like he knew what the hell he was doing, she would have been detained before the second one would have come around.

Either way, the second girl didn't warrant a punch to the face. Thats why everyone has tasers now. He should have backed up, drawn his taser, told the girl in pink drop to the ground, and then when she didn't, assisted her via fifty thousand volts. The cop punching her just came off as a sign of weakness and fear.

Now this seems like a reasonable discussion to have.

I concede the fact that this officer was having way too much difficulty taking the first girl into custody.

As for the punch in the face, I would debate that it is easy for us to pass judgment while watching the video but I would also suggest that if faced with the same circumstances I can't say I would have handled it much differently and we have to rely on the snap judgment call the officer made when met with a violent criminal. I would also hesitate to say that a punch is more or less humane than being tased and I believe the outcry would be equally harsh had he tased her.

But at least we are discussing the reality that this girl was in fact a hostile criminal who needed to be dealt with as such.

[jeebus]

Well, the problem with the punch is that it will be indefinitely hard to justify. For the cop to reason that he was in fear of his life is to insinuate that he's never dealt with distraught family and friends on scene. If he can't handle that type of stressful situation then he is clearly no suited to be a police officer.

The cop displayed poor police skills. The first girl should have been in cuffs before the second came around. Had he properly put that first girl on the ground and quickly cuffed her, the crowd would have been intimidated by his authority. Instead however, his weak arm wrangling only encouraged the crowd and eventually one girl in particular to challenge his authority.

His punching her in the face only revealed his frustration in his inability to detain the first girl, and the fact that he now did not have control of his area of operation. He threw that punch in instinctive desperation and look where its landed him.

Ultimately the girl in pink might not even be charged for assaulting a police officer because he failed to properly detain her.

[ImaGuyGeek]

Well, the problem with the punch is that it will be indefinitely hard to justify. For the cop to reason that he was in fear of his life is to insinuate that he's never dealt with distraught family and friends on scene. If he can't handle that type of stressful situation then he is clearly no suited to be a police officer.

The cop displayed poor police skills. The first girl should have been in cuffs before the second came around. Had he properly put that first girl on the ground and quickly cuffed her, the crowd would have been intimidated by his authority. Instead however, his weak arm wrangling only encouraged the crowd and eventually one girl in particular to challenge his authority.

His punching her in the face only revealed his frustration in his inability to detain the first girl, and the fact that he now did not have control of his area of operation. He threw that punch in instinctive desperation and look where its landed him.

Ultimately the girl in pink might not even be charged for assaulting a police officer because he failed to properly detain her.

Again, valid points and a very reasonable argument. I would still argue that the punch was probably the least acceptable and effective means to temporarily stun the girl and gain some minimal control of the situation, but IMHO I still believe it was acceptable given the circumstances. We as law abiding citizens should provide our Officers with any and every tool available to protect us and themselves, not take tools (in this case a punch) away from them.

Should he be fired or even disciplined? No. I think this should be used as a teachable moment for everyone. Provide the Officer with some additional training and use the video as a public service message. To the thugs out there, know this, if you put your hands on a Police Officer, you will get hurt and the Police are being trained in many methods ranging from Hand to hand combat to use of side arms to detain ANY person who interferes with Police business or puts their hands on an Officer of the Law.

I would also argue that if anyone CHOOSES (and it is most certainly a personal choice and decision) to put their hands on a Police Officer, you have made a personal choice to accept any consequences up to potentially being shot and killed. Again, this girl is lucky all she got was a punch to the face. This Officer would have been justified in drawing his weapon on her and using it if she chose to charge him again.

It's so simple that it's scary to me that people don't get it. DO NOT PUT YOUR HANDS ON THE POLICE!

[jeebus]

Should he be fired or even disciplined? No. I think this should be used as a teachable moment for everyone. Provide the Officer with some additional training and use the video as a public service message. To the thugs out there, know this, if you put your hands on a Police Officer, you will get hurt and the Police are being trained in many methods ranging from Hand to hand combat to use of side arms to detain ANY person who interferes with Police business or puts their hands on an Officer of the Law.!

No but he should be formally counseled and as part of his punishment be put on desk duty to help teach a refresher class on proper takedowns and detainment procedures to ALL members of his department.

He should also be required to apologize to the girl, but strictly for the punch.

[ImaGuyGeek]

No but he should be formally counseled and as part of his punishment be put on desk duty to help teach a refresher class on proper takedowns and detainment procedures to ALL members of his department.

He should also be required to apologize to the girl, but strictly for the punch.

The first part seems reasonable. I can agree with that.

See how that works everyone. Jeebus and I had a disagreement, found common ground and eventually came to agreement without any nastiness.

As for the apology, I'm not so sure about that unless he says something like "I apologize for having to punch you when you assaulted me, I should have had my weapon drawn by this point and should have tased or shot you instead"

And for the record, I obviously feel that people should not assault Police Officers. I also believe if you interfere with Fireman doing there job, they should let your Home, business or car burn to the ground and you forfeit your right to file an insurance claim for impeding the Firemen from doing there job. If you call 911 for a non emergency, you get an automatic 100 hours community service plus an extra hour for every minute of emergency personnel time you waste.

The primary problem is that people these days don't understand accountability. We as a society need to start teaching accountability in a very serious way.

[jeebus]

I like your apology.

[fshfrk]

I like your apology.

me too!

[myjohnson]

If only all cops where good cops.

[ImaGuyGeek]

I'm going to start a new thread on bad cop experiences but for this one I say this...

For those who think Cops are mostly good, Treat them with respect when dealing with them and all will be fine.

For those who think Cops are mostly bad, keep your pie hole shut and do what your told and Don't give the Cops a reason to jack you up and all will be fine.

You see the common thread here people?

If you are like the girl in the video, and you are too stupid to understand this then you probably need a good ol fashioned beat down. If for no other reason than to beat some sense into you. But as I have said all along, You Do Not put your hands on the Police.

[myjohnson]

Hell, I listen to anyone with a gun...not just cops.