free internet ( for Me)

[paranoid1123]

I was just wondering if you guys think it is bad that i am hijacking my next door neighbor wifi connection? The DumbA** left his connection wide open. hell I got 3 open wifi networks within range of my computer just wide open.

[mark razmandi]

yea thats f***ed up bro, get your own

[mgarrido]

Do you think that is ok if somebody go inside your home because your door is open? Just because you know a little bit more than other peopple does not mean that they are DumbA**.

[jeebus]

I got to be honest and say that I think unlocked internet connections are an issue of "finder's keepers".

Any responsible person should know to lock their connection or else potentially expose themselves to someone else using their internet connection for unscrupulous activity.

If they don't know how to lock their internet connection... well... we are all adults, right?

[Fire_chair]

It's illegal, so yeah, I'd say it's bad.

[paranoid1123]

It's illegal, so yeah, I'd say it's bad.

1) its not illegal, they are sending a signal out. (kinda like Radio) it is up the the host to pasword protect that signal or it is free to anyone to use.
2) i have my own wifi

Do you think that is ok if somebody go inside your home because your door is open? .

if there signal comes inside my home isn't it mine to use?
if you set up your tv in front of a window would you say it was a crime if someone watched it from the street?

and yes if i leave my doors wide open and beople came and used my tv or computer it would be my falt but if they stole my tv or computer then it would be a crime.

Just because you know a little bit more than other peopple does not mean that they are DumbA**.

That is the definition of DumbA** when somebody dose something that they SHOULD know better then they are being a DumbA**

[BeefyG]

Technically, it is illegal. People have been arrested for it since it is a personal resource. It was a while back but I remember reading about a guy who parked on the street in front of someone's house and connected to their wifi. The person saw their router going nuts, called the cops, and the guy was charged with something but I can't remember what...

But for that to happen they have to know your physical location and the owner of the signal has to care... odds of that are slim in an apartment complex

On a side note, a friend of mine used to drive around and print off MP3s on unprotected lazerjets... he considered it a social service for drawing their attention to their lack of security

[jeb102385]

for u being kind of an a$$ about it i have the urge to find ur neighbor and block the internet just so u cant use it the we will see who the dumb a$$ is

[thekarens]

Seems to me if you have to ask then you already know it's wrong.

[stevenallenbarnard]

while you're not doing anything legally wrong, it is somewhat morally wrong. By your own admission you have your own wifi, so you're only using his to prove a point, that point being that you feel you are smarter than they are. so, if calling other people dumb a$$es because you know something they don't makes you feel better about yourself, then go right on ahead. why don't you have your wifi shut off to save money, it's not like you are using it.

[myjohnson]

FYI, this is not a case of "finder's keepers." Not even close.

http://www.timewarnercable.com/Texas/support/cabletheft/typesoftheft.html

[paranoid1123]

FYI, this is not a case of "finder's keepers." Not even close.

http://www.timewarnercable.com/Texas...esoftheft.html

Nowhere on that site did it say it was illegal to use someone else's wifi. "it just said in Time warner's opinion it was theft" and actually they said it was Broadband Internet abuse untill there is a law then it isn't illegal.


they only do that so each person has to pay full price for only a part of the conection.

[semper]

FYI, this is not a case of "finder's keepers." Not even close.

http://www.timewarnercable.com/Texas...esoftheft.html

Good one Thai,

This person doesnt understand one of the key words on there.

It being "theft"

[Complexity]

It's wrong. It doesn't have to be illegal to know it's wrong. We don't need the government to police our every move. Sometimes we are expected to behave as adults and use our own good judgement.

There have been times in which I have found a neighbor's internet wide open. I have connected to their network and was even able to connect to one of their computers (and even copied a picture to my computer). I did that specifically to be sure my suspicions were right (they were at risk running the way they were) before going to them and letting them know. And I did let them know. I showed them how to secure their network and their computers from uninvited guests.

That, I believe, is what being a neighbor is about. And I didn't need a law to tell me.

Having said that, there was a time in which my internet connection went down due to no fault of my own, and while waiting on the repair guy, I did piggyback off of a neighbor's open connection. It was temporary, and I did it mostly because I was bored to tears at the time. That didn't make it right. I'm not a saint.

But to use someone else's internet connection on a regular, ongoing basis is wrong. If you ask them to use it and gain their permission, that's different. But to do it without their knowledge or permission is wrong, regardless of any laws that may or may not be present.

It is said there are 3 basic levels of maturity when it comes to doing the right thing.

(1) The person does the right thing to avoid unwanted consequences. The child does not eat the cookie because he does not want to be put in a corner for time out. It has nothing to do with what's right or wrong; the child is merely deciding whether his desire for the cookie is more than or less than his desire to avoid the consequences. This is the most basic level and highly immature. This is why you see children go into timeouts, but not adults. Adults usually progress beyond this level during adolescence when they are able to think things out more fully.

(2) The person does what's right because it's the law or the rule. The law says stop at the stop sign so they stop even if no cars or police are around. They do not put much thought in to why they're doing it. They're just following the rules. Many people reach this level, but never progress further. The problem is that this level requires that there be a rule or law in place to dictate to the person what to do. The person cannot or will not think on their own. In the absence of a law or rule, the person feels free to do what's wrong, taking no personal responsibility for their actions, but blaming those who did not make a law or rule to tell them how to behave.

(3) The person does what is right because it is right, in and of itself. The person has given thought to the matter and made their own decision of what is right based on their own judgement and moral values. They do not need a law or rule to tell them what is right and wrong, and they do not do what is right out of fear of consequences. In fact, they may break rules and laws (breaking into a house to save someone from a fire) because they are able to think about the situation and act accordingly, recognizing that not all laws and rules can possible account for all possible situations. Not everyone reaches this level and not everyone who reaches it uses it to guide their every move. But they are internally guided to do what is right, with or without laws, with or without rules, and no one needs to tell them how to behave or threaten them with consequences for wrong behavior. They are guided by their own personal integrity.

If you have to be told by others that something is wrong, require that there be an actual law to tell you it's wrong, and moreover, require that you feel there is a strong chance of suffering the consequences of wrong actions, then you may get free internet, but what does that say about the person you have grown to be? Whether you realize it or not, what you do says more about you as a person than just taking advantage of your neighbor's ignorance of computer networking.

Give it some thought and decide for yourself whether your integrity can be sold so cheaply.

[jeb102385]

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