free internet ( for Me)

[Darbex]

I am not going to debate whether its morally correct or legal. However, be careful because everyone knows that you or anyone that jumps on an unprotected wireless can do bad things under that router address and infect the connected host computer but there can be someone that connects to your computer through the router and install viruses and such

[stevenallenbarnard]

I think the problem wasn't so much that paranoid didn't have an internet connection. He said he did it becase he could. in his post he almost made it sound like he was taking it upon himself to punish his neighbor for their ignorance. I'll admit that there was about a 6 week period where I didn't have internet access about 2 years ago or so and I did piggyback off of other peoples connections. while it's not right, and I remedied the solution by subscribing to service of my own as soon as I was able, I only did so because I had no connection of my own. I didn't do it just because I could. it's kind of like if your neighbors cordless phone transmits over your baby monitor, just because you can listen, doesn't mean you should.

[myjohnson]

I guess we're all thieves then - those of us who have used the free wifi hotspots at various businesses. No, wait - we're just accessory to theft?

Your statement would depend on the intent of said person to steal from the service provider. Furthermore, the statement assumes that "various businesses" are not paying their internet provider for the ability to allow additional users to get onto their network.

I'm not going to debate whether it's morally right but review Texas Penal Code Section 33.02. Breach of Computer Security. It says, "A person commits an offense if the person knowingly accesses a computer, computer network or computer system without the effective consent of the owner." The penalty grade ranges from misdemeanor to first degree felony, depending on whether the person obtains benefit, harms or defrauds someone, or alters, damages, or deletes files.

[Fire_chair]

I'm not going to debate whether it's morally right but review Texas Penal Code Section 33.02. Breach of Computer Security. It says, "A person commits an offense if the person knowingly accesses a computer, computer network or computer system without the effective consent of the owner." The penalty grade ranges from misdemeanor to first degree felony, depending on whether the person obtains benefit, harms or defrauds someone, or alters, damages, or deletes files.

I think it's called "theft of commodity" or possibly "theft of service".

[tnguyen]

Your statement would depend on the intent of said person to steal from the service provider. Furthermore, the statement assumes that "various businesses" are not paying their internet provider for the ability to allow additional users to get onto their network.

I'm not going to debate whether it's morally right but review Texas Penal Code Section 33.02. Breach of Computer Security. It says, "A person commits an offense if the person knowingly accesses a computer, computer network or computer system without the effective consent of the owner." The penalty grade ranges from misdemeanor to first degree felony, depending on whether the person obtains benefit, harms or defrauds someone, or alters, damages, or deletes files.

dang, see what happen when you stop drinking. Now you going pretty deep. This thread now have life of its own.



I do agree that you shouldn't call someone a d*as just because they don't know. Not everyone is computer literate and up to date.

[myjohnson]

lol, what makes you think I'm not drinking Thanh? )

[Delock]

Your statement would depend on the intent of said person to steal from the service provider. Furthermore, the statement assumes that "various businesses" are not paying their internet provider for the ability to allow additional users to get onto their network.

I'm not going to debate whether it's morally right but review Texas Penal Code Section 33.02. Breach of Computer Security. It says, "A person commits an offense if the person knowingly accesses a computer, computer network or computer system without the effective consent of the owner." The penalty grade ranges from misdemeanor to first degree felony, depending on whether the person obtains benefit, harms or defrauds someone, or alters, damages, or deletes files.

Wireless is not part of this. Computer network refer to hard wiring into a system. This was brought up at work awhile back. Also you need to call me

[madugo]

Your statement would depend on the intent of said person to steal from the service provider. Furthermore, the statement assumes that "various businesses" are not paying their internet provider for the ability to allow additional users to get onto their network.

I'm not going to debate whether it's morally right but review Texas Penal Code Section 33.02. Breach of Computer Security. It says, "A person commits an offense if the person knowingly accesses a computer, computer network or computer system without the effective consent of the owner." The penalty grade ranges from misdemeanor to first degree felony, depending on whether the person obtains benefit, harms or defrauds someone, or alters, damages, or deletes files.

dang...u go to law school or something??lol..

[Delock]

So if you don't have an alarm on your car, then its perfectly ok for someone to steal coz you are a moron for not having an alarm?

Let's not reference stealing of vehicles ok! But totally different from the topic.

[Nickintex]

Let's not reference stealing of vehicles ok! But totally different from the topic.

Uh, it's still stealing?

[Delock]

NO....

You need to understand what is happening. He is accessing a wifi spot not his network. Your network is everything after the wifi source.

[newb]

no problem at all with jumping on somebody elses wifi if it isnt locked. done it plenty of times myself. It is 2009 people...It tells you how to block your signal when setting it up. here at my apartments...from my couch I can literally access about 8-10 different sources. I pay for my own, so I dont access theirs, but I know plenty of my neighbors do. Same as going into a coffee shop and sitting down at a table where the previous customer has finished his/her breakfast and moved on and just so happened that they left the newspaper they paid for...do you read it??? OF COURSE YOU DO.

[paranoid1123]

wait a min....dude is not stealing water or power. anything over the air is fair game. If you allow your network to be unsecured that's on you!


but if you cool with your neighbor let them know. Hell i allowed a neighbor to jump on my network and she gave me money every month toward the bill. you could offer the same!..for the moral cops lol

this is what im talking about. also if we all set up our wifi in a comunity setting it would be cheeper for us all. if you have a street with 15 houses on each side all having wifi. not only dose that make your conection slower becouse of interferance but also way too expensive. 30 * $60 = 1,800.

i could set up that street with 8 routers and save the collective $1300.

now why do you think comcast don't want you to shate your wifi connection?

[paranoid1123]

Your statement would depend on the intent of said person to steal from the service provider. Furthermore, the statement assumes that "various businesses" are not paying their internet provider for the ability to allow additional users to get onto their network.

I'm not going to debate whether it's morally right but review Texas Penal Code Section 33.02. Breach of Computer Security. It says, "A person commits an offense if the person knowingly accesses a computer, computer network or computer system without the effective consent of the owner." The penalty grade ranges from misdemeanor to first degree felony, depending on whether the person obtains benefit, harms or defrauds someone, or alters, damages, or deletes files.

then i have done nothing wrong, i an not on his computer, network,system. i am on his wifi signal. also i have not benefited, harmed, or defraud anyone, and i have not altered, damage, or deleted his files.

this is america remember that EVERYONE IS INNOCENT UNTILL PROVEN GUILTY, IN A CORT OF LAW. no mater what you opinion is. and the reason that america is so great is becouse my morality is just as important as yours. just becouse you "believe" one thing dosen't mean it is right same with me. that is why we vote others to tell us wright from wrong.

i did this question for my PoliSci class just to see what people would say.

here is what i got out of it:

this is what i think, if you don't think the same as me you are wrong. i don't like people that are wrong.

one day we will get this wright. but not today.

[paranoid1123]

So are we implying that it's ok to steal because we feel that said item deserves to be stolen?

that is exactly how this country got stated. we stold from the natives, then we stold from the british. Just becouse WE thought it need to be stolen. if we would have lost all american would be looked at as terrorist. but we won. now just think if the "Terrorist" win how will they look? and also how laws get changed. look at the moonshiners during prohibition.
they were breaking the LAW but they were in the Right.