would 3 goldfish and some neon tetra be pushing it for a 40 gallon

[troy tucker]

Sorry to hear you were ill but glad your better. the neons should be fine as long as they are not stressed.

[suicune]

keeping lionheads is no easy task so far. They get swim bladder so easily even when you're extremely cautious at feeding time. I basically soak my food for at least 10 minutes before I feed them but one of them still get it sometimes. The neons are doing well. I have not bought any new live stock and will not buy anymore until I decide to upgrade my tank to something close to an 80 gallons. Even then I'm not going to get more.

[mistahoo]

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Try changing the food you're feeding them. That could be it

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[allysangels]

Shouldn't be prone to much as long as he feeds them on a regular schedule, do water changes, and if he doesn't introduce more livestock (or at least a minimal amount).
You'd be surprised at how well fish can learn to adapt. I've got this tetra that sits in a bucket and up until yesterday he was in 40-50 degree water. I recently added a heater just in case the temp drops lower than that. Didn't have a heater before, so whatever our Houston weather was is what the temp of the water would be.

per my experience, fish are indeed highly adaptable. they are also cold-blooded, however. their metabolism, growth, and (most relevant to this particular discussion), immune response, are regulated by the temperature of their environment. i've noticed with my tetras (of many different species) that at temps below 78 degrees they are much more prone to fungal and bacterial infections, although most frequently, they break out with ich.

[mistahoo]

per my experience, fish are indeed highly adaptable. they are also cold-blooded, however. their metabolism, growth, and (most relevant to this particular discussion), immune response, are regulated by the temperature of their environment. i've noticed with my tetras (of many different species) that at temps below 78 degrees they are much more prone to fungal and bacterial infections, although most frequently, they break out with ich.

Very true, but neons can be pretty tough. My younger brother has about 13-14 in his 10gal with no heater. It got cold a few days/weeks. I'm surprised they even lived through that. If the OP were to keep it constantly at 73 degrees and continue with his normal routine, it should be fine. Going out of that routine is what will most likely cause the fish to become sick. Since his tank has very dense vegetation, that helps even more by keeping the fish from stressing out by the goldfish going om nom nom nom 24/7.

[allysangels]

Very true, but neons can be pretty tough. My younger brother has about 13-14 in his 10gal with no heater. It got cold a few days/weeks. I'm surprised they even lived through that. If the OP were to keep it constantly at 73 degrees and continue with his normal routine, it should be fine. Going out of that routine is what will most likely cause the fish to become sick. Since his tank has very dense vegetation, that helps even more by keeping the fish from stressing out by the goldfish going om nom nom nom 24/7.

since i'm on "bedrest" right now, which in reality translates to "sitting in my comfy chair at my computer", i'm having way too much fun. :) regardless, yet again, i both agree and disagree simultaneously. perhaps your bro has wolverine strain neon tetras. again from experience, if kept at a constant 73 degrees, with proper (religious) water changes, and a good diet, they may be fine for months. then, one day, you add a new plant or fish, and chaos and calamity ensue. and not in a fun way, either.

[mistahoo]

Which is why you don't add or remove anything! I've made the mistake of not having a heater in my 5gal before and all the rainbow fish were fine. Temp got down to about 50 in the tank. No ich, diseases, deaths, etc. Now if I were to leave that tank at 50 for more than a day, they'd be dead. It seems like adding anything to a tank causes chaos.

[allysangels]

keeping lionheads is no easy task so far. They get swim bladder so easily even when you're extremely cautious at feeding time. I basically soak my food for at least 10 minutes before I feed them but one of them still get it sometimes. The neons are doing well. I have not bought any new live stock and will not buy anymore until I decide to upgrade my tank to something close to an 80 gallons. Even then I'm not going to get more.

then you should be fine. :) do you have a quarantine tank set up just in case you see one you just can't live without?

[allysangels]

Which is why you don't add or remove anything! I've made the mistake of not having a heater in my 5gal before and all the rainbow fish were fine. Temp got down to about 50 in the tank. No ich, diseases, deaths, etc. Now if I were to leave that tank at 50 for more than a day, they'd be dead. It seems like adding anything to a tank causes chaos.

most people do not have this willpower you seem to possess. or the luck, either.

[KhmerStyle]

then you should be fine. :) do you have a quarantine tank set up just in case you see one you just can't live without?

+ 1 imo every fish keeper should have one

[suicune]

Unfortunately one lionhead for whatever reason swallowed a baby assassin snail and passed away today. When i found him he has a a little piece of the snail shell sticking out from his butt. Looked like the snail shell got stuck and kept him ballooned up. I was busy on thursday so i didnt feed the tank.. When i came back on friday afternoon he was getting bloated. I thought he might have eaten something but I didn't feed them anything. All the fish were still there... He swam normal without any sign of sbd... So i put some peas yesterday and dose some epsom salt... Today i saw him dead with the little snail shell sticking out of his butt. Lesson learned: snails can cause chocking hazard.

[mistahoo]

Unfortunately one lionhead for whatever reason swallowed a baby assassin snail and passed away today. When i found him he has a a little piece of the snail shell sticking out from his butt. Looked like the snail shell got stuck and kept him ballooned up. I was busy on thursday so i didnt feed the tank.. When i came back on friday afternoon he was getting bloated. I thought he might have eaten something but I didn't feed them anything. All the fish were still there... He swam normal without any sign of sbd... So i put some peas yesterday and dose some epsom salt... Today i saw him dead with the little snail shell sticking out of his butt. Lesson learned: snails can cause chocking hazard.

I didn't know you had snails in there. You don't mix snails with goldfish. They will try to eat them even if you feed them. Maybe ramshorn or pond snails since their shell is a lot softer, but to be on the safe side, I'd take out all the snails.

[suicune]

Yeah i found that out too late :(.... The fathead ate the snail and choked. Problem is It almost impossible to remove all the babies unless I completely tear down the tank.