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[mistahoo]

I always found that catching all the fish out and placing them in a cooler (lid open of course) while rescaping and then tossing them back in helps with aggression issues.

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[SunnyHouTX]

I wonder why none of mine jumped out...? Oh wait, glass tops. Maybe those tops prolonged the agony those poor fish had to go through.

[johnnymisty]

Lost another one today beat up and got a few more kicked out of the group off to one side did a water change and gonna get the auto feeder back on try to find a way to add more flow to the tank

[mistahoo]

I've used all these meds at once for best results on trophs and petros, including my colony of Moliros, and the ones that really affect fish are Bifuran and Metro as an antibiotic. The others' mode of action is targeted to certain features in parasites that are not found in fish so basically they are harmless to fish. There has been no documented evidence that one destabilizes another when used together, only opinions that they "can be". Read up on the ingredients in Tetra Parasite Guard, you'll see that they're some harsh stuff, but they're not lethal to fish. Even Praziquantel can be overdosed without harming the fish.

Johnny, those fish that died seem to have been kicked out of the colony, which is to be expected when adding new fish to an existing colony. One sign is when they're floating in slow motion like you said. Saw a few of those in my Moliro colony after they got over the "bug" and started setting their hierarchy again. Meds won't help that. Deaths stopped once I got the aggression under control, which included taking some rocks out, etc.

Well said Sunny. I didn't want to go through and explain why using all these meds isn't necessarily bad to use all at once. Just a lot of people read what's on the net and take it as their bible.

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[Mastiffman]

Like I mentioned before, same thing happened with my Moliro colony till I got aggression under control. No signs of physical damage.

What I'm trying to say is the aggressor doesn't have to actually touch the victims for them to get kicked out of the colony

True and one thing that I didn't notice was that the first of them jumped out of the tank. Tell tale sign of Aggression Eviction....

Maybe it was a combination but ultimately aggression was the key. Maybe the first was evicted. The next two succumed to illness due to aggression stress and the fourth from straightup physical aggression.

Well either way, very unfortunate. But is somewhat expected with a situation like this. Thanks for the conversation Sunny.

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[SunnyHouTX]

Like I mentioned before, same thing happened with my Moliro colony till I got aggression under control. No signs of physical damage.

What I'm trying to say is the aggressor doesn't have to actually touch the victims for them to get kicked out of the colony

[Mastiffman]

And they can also be a victim of aggression without visible signs of damage.

I agree with this as well. I do see your point Sunny.

In this case, do you think that the chances are high that multiple fish all fell to the same physical punishment? With the Same invisible symptoms? Or would chances be higher that the fell ill?

[SunnyHouTX]

LOL

[New_Cichlid11]

O I disagree.

[SunnyHouTX]

And they can also be a victim of aggression without visible signs of damage.

[Mastiffman]

Trophs don't need to be physically damaged to succumb to stress.

Oh I agree.

[SunnyHouTX]

This also happens when a fish falls ill... If there were no signs of damage on the ill fish, I don't know if that would be the sole culprit. Although it would raise stress and further compromise their immune systems. So I guess in one or another it could be patially responsible.

How do they all seem to be doing today?

Trophs don't need to be physically damaged to succumb to stress.

[Mastiffman]

I can deffinitly see that as they were always at the opposite end of the tank from the colony

This also happens when a fish falls ill... If there were no signs of damage on the ill fish, I don't know if that would be the sole culprit. Although it would raise stress and further compromise their immune systems. So I guess in one or another it could be patially responsible.

How do they all seem to be doing today?

[SunnyHouTX]

I can deffinitly see that as they were always at the opposite end of the tank from the colony

Don't be discouraged. Let them chill out without a scape for a few weeks, get an automatic feeder and get the lights on a timer so that they settle into a daily routine during that time. Then you can think about slowly introducing some rocks

[johnnymisty]

I've used all these meds at once for best results on trophs and petros, including my colony of Moliros, and the ones that really affect fish are Bifuran and Metro as an antibiotic. The others' mode of action is targeted to certain features in parasites that are not found in fish so basically they are harmless to fish. There has been no documented evidence that one destabilizes another when used together, only opinions that they "can be". Read up on the ingredients in Tetra Parasite Guard, you'll see that they're some harsh stuff, but they're not lethal to fish. Even Praziquantel can be overdosed without harming the fish.

Johnny, those fish that died seem to have been kicked out of the colony, which is to be expected when adding new fish to an existing colony. One sign is when they're floating in slow motion like you said. Saw a few of those in my Moliro colony after they got over the "bug" and started setting their hierarchy again. Meds won't help that. Deaths stopped once I got the aggression under control, which included taking some rocks out, etc.

I can deffinitly see that as they were always at the opposite end of the tank from the colony