The value of Flowerhorns

[cichlid1409]

You know... I could totally see uses for cyborg cockroaches.

only if they are canabals.....

[Nickintex]

You know... I could totally see uses for cyborg cockroaches.

Mecha-Roach?

[marauder_77868]

This is actually a pretty serious issue facing the hobby...

[OrandaMan]

Oh, I agree with you. I just think humor is a good release sometimes.

But I was thinking of Glofish. You know, the first time I went to buy danios, the employee at the store pushed me toward Glofish. He said they were the same thing as zebra danios, but they glowed under black light. How cool was that? In my ignorance, I didn't realize they were genetically engineered. I mean, they didn't look quite natural, but I assumed that it was my lack of knowledge about it.

So I took them home. They did look very nice under black light, but somehow didn't measure up to the natural look of my plainest of fish in normal light. I wasn't going to let that bother me, though. And then I started reading about it.

You know, I'm not sure how I feel about their creation in the first place. I love science and can understand the use of these creatures to some degree. I think. But releasing them to the open market? I do not doubt the responsibility of people on this forum, but we know that there are a lot of irresponsible people out there.

Anyway, those are my thoughts.

[Mzungu]

This is actually a pretty serious issue facing the hobby...

Which issue are you speaking of? Price, hybrids, genetic engineering, or the release of hybrids and other invasive species into natural waterways?

I think they're all serious issues, but I'm just wondering which one you meant.

[marauder_77868]

They are actually all tied together. But it's a valid question. The release is related to the price, the bs marketing, etc. They are all interconnected. You typically find all of this morally questionable stuff on the same list...so it's all interconnected. The question is are we going to adopt the philosophy that allows it. The EU has rejected it. Not that I'm a big fan of the EU. I'd rather let our market take care of this problem. But there is so much misinformation in the hobby...and just plain ignorance as well. If we can change the minds and hearts of people by giving them information to better understand these problems, the market which has created the demand will, for the most part, go away.

[Mzungu]

The question is are we going to adopt the philosophy that allows it. The EU has rejected it.

Rejected what? The philosophy?

[marauder_77868]

No. The EU, from what I understand has outlawed the production/import of fish that are modified to such an extent that it affect their functionality...but I do need to seek clarification on what it does say, exactly. I'm basing it on a conversation that Anton Lamboj and I had a couple of weeks ago.

[Mzungu]

It would be great if you could provide a link to the legislation. All I've been able to find so far is the fact that GM fish are illegal.

[Rico]

something similar has happened to the apbt. people have started breeding them for money, color, and size with out culling the man biters. thats how it has gotten the bad rep of biting people. the real apbt wont bite. any man biter is culled. pit bulls are some of the most loyal dogs around. of course thats if it comes from good stock like gamedogs.

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[OrandaMan]

That was a very informational video. Thanks!

[Mzungu]

No. The EU, from what I understand has outlawed the production/import of fish that are modified to such an extent that it affect their functionality...but I do need to seek clarification on what it does say, exactly.

I'm still curious! Like I said, I couldn't find anything on this subject - got a link? I think it's a really great step, if in fact they did pass such regulations. :)

[marauder_77868]

Well...I got the info from Anton firsthand. I will endeavor to look it up or, failing that, I'll see if he can send me a link.

[Mzungu]

Well...I got the info from Anton firsthand. I will endeavor to look it up or, failing that, I'll see if he can send me a link.

Thanks! I really appreciate it. :)

[OrandaMan]

Either this legislation is extremely recent and was passed VERY quietly, or there may have been a miscommunication. I have searched and searched and could only find something that was preventing the import of certain fish that are believed to be susceptible to some virus. I don't think that's passed yet, though, and there are some objections to some of the species listed being there.

But I did find the following on Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fishkeeping#Fish_modification

You'll see that GM fish like Glo-fish are outlawed. New Zealand's done that, too.

http://www.practicalfishkeeping.co.uk/pfk/pages/item.php?news=1327