Wet Dry Media

[SunnyHouTX]

It's similar to putting water in the main tank when a wet/dry is running low due to evaporation loss of water. The water level in the main tank will go down and level in the sump will rise. Even with a HOB overflow.

[algarciajr]

Oops, I should have read further. lol

Exactly Alfonso.

[Notsoballinxhobo]

I am not speaking of bacteria or nutrients.

I am plainly talking about water and where it gets moved to.

water are in three jugs... the tank, wet/dry1 and wet/dry2
Water level in tank will only change if both overflows feeding 1 and 2 are lost.
Water level in wd1 is effected by not only the tank but also wd2
just examples of the point I am trying to make.

This is what I am talking about. As for the dumb part, not inducing a failure or testing your set up as to what will happen in an event of a failure to be prepared is what is called dumb. Invest the time and money into your hobby especially if you have spent your hard earned cash on it. Your comment here shows your level of experience or willingness to learn.

[Notsoballinxhobo]

I have a complete spare wet/dry. I think I might hook it just because I can... instead of hooking up that Eheim...

Please do.

Test it and report back what happens in the event of a failure in any part.

[Notsoballinxhobo]

Using Kaldnes in a wet/dry will not defeat the purpose wet/dry as the wet/dry will use K1 as bioballs (to repeat myself). The wet/dry will not be just a sump because it has biomedia (non-fluidized K1 in this instance) to host bacteria (again, to repeat myself). So it will be just a regular wet/dry with bio media other than bioballs.

If you use the k1 as the media is used in a wet/dry you have defeated the main selling point of the k1
If you use the k1 as it was meant to be used in a "wet/dry" you have now taken away the "wet/dry" aspect and it is now just a tub of water/a sump.

So to repeat myself, a waste of both when used outside it's original intentions.

[SunnyHouTX]

I am not speaking of bacteria or nutrients.

I am plainly talking about water and where it gets moved to.

OK, so since we're only talking about water movement only, read this very carefully:

The only problem I see in this is the second wet/dry overflowing if it doesn't have adequate sump space to handle the runoff from the main tank that now has the water of the wet/dry that ran dry. In this case, only the bacteria in the first wet/dry will die if not rectified immediately.

water are in three jugs... the tank, wet/dry1 and wet/dry2
Water level in tank will only change if both overflows feeding 1 and 2 are lost.
Water level in wd1 is effected by not only the tank but also wd2
just examples of the point I am trying to make.

Again, read this very carefully:

The only problem I see in this is the second wet/dry overflowing if it doesn't have adequate sump space to handle the runoff from the main tank that now has the water of the wet/dry that ran dry. In this case, only the bacteria in the first wet/dry will die if not rectified immediately.

This is what I am talking about. As for the dumb part, not inducing a failure or testing your set up as to what will happen in an event of a failure to be prepared is what is called dumb. Invest the time and money into your hobby especially if you have spent your hard earned cash on it. Your comment here shows your level of experience or willingness to learn.

By inducing failure, I assumed that you were talking about inducing failure of the bacteria colony, since your initial concern was the usage of K1/K3 media vs. bioballs. But now that we're only talking about water levels, the only real failure you can be ready for that will affect water levels is a power outage and yes, I do a "power out" test when I initially set a wet/dry and I assume anybody who has a wet/dry does it as well. What other failures are you talking about? Besides a power outage, the only failures I can think of will be due to improper installation, ans I can't help you on that.

My answers in red

[SunnyHouTX]

Please do.

Test it and report back what happens in the event of a failure in any part.

I already know what's gonna happen: nothing.

Looks like you're afraid of wet/dry filters?

[SunnyHouTX]

If you use the k1 as the media is used in a wet/dry you have defeated the main selling point of the k1
If you use the k1 as it was meant to be used in a "wet/dry" you have now taken away the "wet/dry" aspect and it is now just a tub of water/a sump.

So to repeat myself, a waste of both when used outside it's original intentions.

Who are you to say how one should use media in our filters and what constitutes a waste? Spend your own money and figure it out for yourself hobo. Trust me, I won't be calling it a waste as long as you're not spending my money on it. Dang, you build a pretty high pedestal for yourself dontcha )

BTW, if the water trickles through K1/K3 media in a wet/dry, it's still a wet/dry. Something tells me you lack experience with wet/dry filtration and can't seem to grasp it for what it is since you may have not tried it?

[Notsoballinxhobo]

The point of K1 is cause its ability to build a strong bacteria colony when fluidized, having it sit stagnant is like having a ton of cut up straws in your wet/dry which would be a ton cheaper.

As for pedestal, I have only subjected info from my knowledge base from personal and gathered. You fail to see it any other way but your own so please step back and look at that again.

I am no one to tell anything but if the opinion is asked for then I provided it, if this was not meant to be an open discussion then maybe have it deleted or change the title to "Sunny's opinion on wet/dry media".

The kaldness was designed to be used fluidized, yes it will work in any which way you please but to achieve the best it should be used how it was meant to be used. If you decided to pay extra for the K1 and use it in the same sense anything with a surface could achieve then by all means ball hard and do so.

As for lack of experience, I will leave that for you to judge which I am sure you are basing it off purely my registered date here or perhaps my lack of post count and not by my actual experience cause I assure you that it is not lacking nor shadowed by many.

[Notsoballinxhobo]

I already know what's gonna happen: nothing.

Looks like you're afraid of wet/dry filters?

based on?
Perhaps you are afraid of being wrong, so please do set them up as you normally would with your other tanks and then see. I fear very little in this world so a box of water and plastic is probably not gonna be that high on the list.

[cu0ngsayz]

I don't think hea had experience with much since he did say k1/k2/k3. I didn't even know they made k2

[SunnyHouTX]

based on?
Perhaps you are afraid of being wrong, so please do set them up as you normally would with your other tanks and then see. I fear very little in this world so a box of water and plastic is probably not gonna be that high on the list.

Based on the wet/drys I've set up over the last couple of years with no failure whatsoever. So if I set this one up as a second wet/dry in the same tank, then I expect the same: no failures.

I guess we're at a stalemate then, mate.

Unless I "induce failure" on one of sumps with a hammer. That would be dumb, so I won't.

[SunnyHouTX]

I don't think hea had experience with much since he did say k1/k2/k3. I didn't even know they made k2

They don't Somebody thinks they do though

[Notsoballinxhobo]

I don't think hea had experience with much since he did say k1/k2/k3. I didn't even know they made k2

once again, my level of experience shouldn't be based on my post count or registered date.

So bro, if you are really trying to question my experience or insult my level of intelligence please do your research or only chime in when you feel you are absolutely sure or willing to accept where you are wrong.

http://www.koiphen.com/forums/showthread.php?26585-Filter-Media-4-types&pp=10

[Notsoballinxhobo]

They don't Somebody thinks they do though

Please see above link

Level of experience, I will base off of lack of knowledge shown.