Tea party, REALLY?

[imagirlgeek]

To be honest, I think it's kind of like the difference between "Democrats" and "Progressives". I mean, really, the Tea Party movement all started because people were tired of all the new taxes and excessive spending, hence the name "Tea Party". And the Republicans were getting almost as bad at spending as the Democrats are, plus people didn't feel like their voices were being heard, so the Tea Party emerged as a group generally just sick and tired of all the big government spending. That's how it all got started.

If you're asking the question because you want me to say Republicans and the Tea Party are one in the same, then I would have to say, Yes....and No. Are they more conservative than Democrats? For sure! But they won't align themselves with the Republicans either. It's an overall dissatisfaction with all of the 'official' political parties.

[Delock]

What is the difference between the Republicans and the Tea Party?

[ImaGuyGeek]

So I take it Nick bowed out of the World News and Current Events sub-forum?

I think he just refuses to answer any questions or have an actual discussion. I know he was here a little while ago.

[jeebus]

So I take it Nick bowed out of the World News and Current Events sub-forum?

[ImaGuyGeek]

This thread was actually quite educational to me....i don't mind folks expressing themselves, even if I do happen to disagree with their position.

I appreciate the new forums here on the box, where we are given the freedom to express ourselves....along with that appreciation, I find a touch of tolerance is necessary now and then....


CF

Glen: thanks for your posting of that very interesting video.

I agree completely. I would (and have) ask for more discussion and debate. Much Like you do when you post your videos or stories. You share your personal thoughts and discuss the issues. i.e. You offer a personal perspective, opinion and position on what you are posting. Thank you for that contribution CF. Even if we don't always agree :) I respect that.

[CichlidFan]

This thread was actually quite educational to me....i don't mind folks expressing themselves, even if I do happen to disagree with their position.

I appreciate the new forums here on the box, where we are given the freedom to express ourselves....along with that appreciation, I find a touch of tolerance is necessary now and then....


CF

Glen: thanks for your posting of that very interesting video.

[ImaGuyGeek]

And for the record, No this is not an attack. This is informational to help everyone here understand what happened here with Nick's sudden flurry of hate attacking Christine O'Donnell, Republicans and the Tea Party. I was confused about where this came from since it seemingly came out of left field so I sought clarification when Nick refused to provide it himself. This information is akin to Nick's referring to Fox News as the source of information for the Moderate and Conservative members of HFB

[ImaGuyGeek]

I would like to apologize up front for the verbose nature of this post.

So, not surprising, when challenged to support his postings Nick runs and hides. Well, I can shed some light on this phenomenon.

After some research, it turns out that our fellow HFB'er found a new Facebook group "Americans Against the Tea Party". Apparently this is porn for liberals and our fellow boxer read this page and got himself worked up into a frenzy. Once all worked up and excited, what else can you do but find a release. So, Nick, in a frenzy of liberal excitement did what I guess made sense to any liberal, he came to HFB and spewed all over us. If you visit this page, you will see that Nick's flurry of links and posts were taken from this page and it's members almost verbatim. Almost every word including "She;s a Witch" and Tea Party Republicans", all the links, taken directly from this FB page. This explains why Nick was incapable of providing any personal thoughts or opinions to support his position, because they were not his thoughts. There were no independent thoughts to be shared. This was simply an "All Out" assault waged by Nick on the more moderate and conservative members of HFB (some of whom he likes to call friends) with his new found source of ammunition.

The really bizarre take away from this for me is this... Nick always plays the Victim card. He will speak out against hate and claim to be picked on or ganged up on BUT this is Nick's self fulfilling prophecy you see. He finds a new "Hate Site" and comes to HFB and spews his new found hate source messages at HFB'ers. And what happens? He further alienates himself and instead of taking ownership of his actions, he plays the victim again.

A victim of his own actions and his own hatred.

[Darbex]

Unfortunately, when I try to say something (coz I'm in the severe minority) certain people resort to what I perceive in my liberal mind as an attack, instead of debunking/discussing the content of the pages I have linked. I still have my warped feeling that I was bashing Democrats/Liberals, I'd be hearing cheering from the sidelines. Maurader, when the smoke clears, I'll consider. You'll say what I post is not true, it's not based on facts. Yet I noticed that it rings true enough that some find ways to twist what was posted in order to defend or attack what was posted, or attack me as a person, though I was not attacking any HFB member themselves. Is this section now the Fox News of HFB?

This post is false. I know the main posters on here try to debate whether everyone thinks its right or wrong is another matter. It is a warped feeling because if you posted something that was blatenly false about the other side I would call you on it as well. As an example if you came out with a post Bush was a horrible president and was a liar then I will call you on it. But if you said Bush became a liberal in his spending on education and medicare and so on. Then I would agree and we would gauge in a debate of the issues that would lead to that information. I know liberal dems dont want to believe it but there was a study done by the Pew Center (trying to find the study) that showed Fox News as the most center news organization out there. Though they are right of center they are closer to center then the other big news agencies. With CNN I believe was the next closest but on the left side.

[CichlidFan]

My 2 cents worth.....I don't feel anyone was really attacked here, there might have been some strong comments made back and forth about each other's political & personal views, but when I consider the source of this topic, that our country is languishing and is in need of some real damage control, it's no wonder we squabble amongst overselves over all the BS that is constantly thrown at us by the elites/bankers and globalist who wish to control us thru the use of economic corruption and the political turmoil that they are now serving up to us by the main stream media....

The recession is not over, we know better than that, especially when they say it was over way back in 09....BS again....the government and media are being influenced or controlled by the real chiefs of this country and they are the same ones who took the majority of the Trillion dollar bail out monies....the real power in the US is a group of bankers, Wall Street owns this country now and they are in league with other powerful groups who use organizations like the CFR and the UN to make the decisions that will eventually shape the destiny of this country and yes, even the world someday if they are not exposed and contained by all of us, the people of this nation.

The GOP and Democrat parties are now just shells, mere shadows of what they used to be, the now only serve to give us people hope for something better than what we have now, but that hope is a false hope in my opinion, and we need to wake up before the carp really hits the crank bait and we all end up like cattle out on the range, waiting for the big drive to the market...

CF

[imagirlgeek]

Unfortunately, when I try to say something (coz I'm in the severe minority) certain people resort to what I perceive in my liberal mind as an attack, instead of debunking/discussing the content of the pages I have linked.

Nick...are you saying that because you post a bunch of links, and some people respond negatively, you can't have a debate with any members? Because there are a few posts in this thread (mine included), that you chose not to respond to that were absolutely NOT attacks of any sort, then just continued to post link after link after link after link, disregarding any attempts by members to engage in a real debate. If you are posting topics for other people to debate, but do not want to participate in it, well...I don't know what to tell you...you might want to add that to the topics you start, but I can't guarantee that you won't be questioned about your opinion on the topic(s).

I still have my warped feeling that I was bashing Democrats/Liberals, I'd be hearing cheering from the sidelines.

No, if you were just posting links, with no content to back up your statements, you would just be receiving questions from the other side of the fence. StevenAllenBarnard, Delock, and Wesleydnunder (who range in opinion from left to center, depending on the topic) manage to debate their sides of the issues.

You'll say what I post is not true, it's not based on facts. Yet I noticed that it rings true enough that some find ways to twist what was posted in order to defend or attack what was posted, or attack me as a person, though I was not attacking any HFB member themselves. Is this section now the Fox News of HFB?

Debate - "discussion involving opposing viewpoints". Disagreeing with a viewpoint is not an attack. Asking someone to elaborate or even express an opinion on the links they post is not an attack. By ignoring the questions posed by members, and/or responding with more links without commentary, you are inviting people to continue questioning you. Some might even question your motives.

NOTE: This is NOT an attack.

[marauder_77868]

Is this section now the Fox News of HFB?

If this were true it would be more like the Huffington Post. Tonight when I have a chance maybe I can shoot holes in the arguments contained in the links and videos you presented on this thread. But I would much rather see you say what YOU mean and then give me links or videos to back it up, rather than just post links which you feel bash the right. Insofar as attacks, I'm not really sure where you are coming from. The only things that I've seen which might be considered as such are those which talked about you and Delock having your own set of rules/reality and talking about your unwillingness to post any of your own independent thoughts. I saw an attempt to goad you into expounding upon your beliefs with your own thoughts rather than just a set of links. It's like in that video I posted...you're essentially holding up an inflammatory sign (the links/videos) and then when challenged to back up the claims thereon or at least be able to even explain them you retreat to more links and videos. Aren't you strong enough and sure enough within your own position to articulate it yourself?

[ImaGuyGeek]

Unfortunately, when I try to say something (coz I'm in the severe minority) certain people resort to what I perceive in my liberal mind as an attack, instead of debunking/discussing the content of the pages I have linked. I still have my warped feeling that I was bashing Democrats/Liberals, I'd be hearing cheering from the sidelines. Maurader, when the smoke clears, I'll consider. You'll say what I post is not true, it's not based on facts. Yet I noticed that it rings true enough that some find ways to twist what was posted in order to defend or attack what was posted, or attack me as a person, though I was not attacking any HFB member themselves. Is this section now the Fox News of HFB?

Please provide Traci with the details on where you were attacked because I have read this entire thread again and I am failing to see any personal attacks on you by myself or anyone else.

[Nickintex]

You got to stop doing drive bys Nick. To provide readers of the thread information and ideas for debate which is what I thought we are doing in this forum. The proper thing to do is post a link preferably from both sides equally on the argument. If not its fine to post one or the other side and then state your opinion on whether you agree or disagree with the news or link. Then allow for debate by others why they agree or disagree.

Unfortunately, when I try to say something (coz I'm in the severe minority) certain people resort to what I perceive in my liberal mind as an attack, instead of debunking/discussing the content of the pages I have linked. I still have my warped feeling that I was bashing Democrats/Liberals, I'd be hearing cheering from the sidelines. Maurader, when the smoke clears, I'll consider. You'll say what I post is not true, it's not based on facts. Yet I noticed that it rings true enough that some find ways to twist what was posted in order to defend or attack what was posted, or attack me as a person, though I was not attacking any HFB member themselves. Is this section now the Fox News of HFB?

[Nickintex]

Another link. I don't need permission for this last time I checked.

http://mugsysrapsheet.com/