I have a question.

[ImaGuyGeek]

Wouldn't have been possible. The EEOC does not recognize whites as being protected from discrimination in the workplace. That in itself is discrimination.

Sorry, white men under 40

[ImaGuyGeek]

Should have filed a suit!

Wouldn't have been possible. The EEOC does not recognize whites as being protected from discrimination in the workplace. That in itself is discrimination.

[Delock]

Dave...

I've been on the receiving end of that sort of stuff at an employer some years back. I'd like to think that you know that there is not a racist bone in my body. But I was laid off from a job, along with several other people, because they wanted to move people into those jobs who were black. Everyone who was laid off was white and those who took the positions were black. It had to do with a new supervisor, a black man, they were moving in from a night shift along with the majority of his crew, and he himself told me, and I quote "My guys just aren't going to be willing to work with white people". The company shouldn't have allowed it, but I suppose they were afraid of the Quanelle/Jackson/Sharpton types coming in and stirring up crap. So, in the name of tolerance, they chose to allow racism. The only argument that I'm making is that it exists on all sides and is no less acceptable coming from people other than whites.

Should have filed a suit!

[Delock]

No...I'm saying he was elected, at least in part, by a feeling of people, not just blacks, that it was "time" to have a black president. I'm saying that a lot of people looked past his politics because they wanted to make history, to feel good that they had been a part of fighting racism, policies be damned. There are several black people that could have run that I would have voted for long before Obama and ahead of McCain as well. It doesn't have anything to do with skin color. It has to do with values.

I had a really pretty black girlfriend some years ago...I received (and she did too, for that matter) far more crap from black people than I did from white people. Now, please, go ahead and tell me that black people can't be racist.

No..anyone can be racist. Hell, I dated women of several race and caught hell from thier race.

[marauder_77868]

Dave...

I've been on the receiving end of that sort of stuff at an employer some years back. I'd like to think that you know that there is not a racist bone in my body. But I was laid off from a job, along with several other people, because they wanted to move people into those jobs who were black. Everyone who was laid off was white and those who took the positions were black. It had to do with a new supervisor, a black man, they were moving in from a night shift along with the majority of his crew, and he himself told me, and I quote "My guys just aren't going to be willing to work with white people". The company shouldn't have allowed it, but I suppose they were afraid of the Quanelle/Jackson/Sharpton types coming in and stirring up crap. So, in the name of tolerance, they chose to allow racism. The only argument that I'm making is that it exists on all sides and is no less acceptable coming from people other than whites.

[marauder_77868]

No...I'm saying he was elected, at least in part, by a feeling of people, not just blacks, that it was "time" to have a black president. I'm saying that a lot of people looked past his politics because they wanted to make history, to feel good that they had been a part of fighting racism, policies be damned. There are several black people that could have run that I would have voted for long before Obama and ahead of McCain as well. It doesn't have anything to do with skin color. It has to do with values.

I had a really pretty black girlfriend some years ago...I received (and she did too, for that matter) far more crap from black people than I did from white people. Now, please, go ahead and tell me that black people can't be racist.

[supadave]

I can honestly say that I've met more black racists in my life than white ones.

How do you know this ? What did they do to make you think they were racist ? The reason I ask this is because I want to know what a White person perceives as racism . I also want to know how a White person can be a victim of racism that was perpetrated directly by a Black person . Basically , I want to know what those Black racist did " directly " to you that made you think they were racist .

[Delock]

The writer of this article (from Jewish World Review ) has "never been discriminated against or had derogatory comments made" about him or his people? So are you saying Jews don't count because they "are the standard"?

Try growing up in a small Texas town with a single mother and a gay Grandfather. You think I wasn't "discriminated against or had derogatory comments made" about or towards me. My Grandfather was the only constant male figure in my life and I Loved and Respected him greatly. He taught me to never be a victim and I am proud of who he was and of who I am because of what I learned from him.

I know your comment wasn't about me specifically but I don't know enough about people to make generalizations assuming all white males know nothing about discrimination. I am a successful, conservative white male and I don't feel I should have to share my upbringing in order to be validated in the minds of others. In fact, I feel discriminated against by being invalidated openly because of my gender and the color of my skin.

Give us example please! On discrimination based on your skin color?


How about getting pulled over because of your skin color?
How about getting denied service due to your skin color?
How about having a gun pointed in your face cause you didnt fit in with everyone else?
How about being judge on your skin color and not your abilities?

Those 4 have happen to me within the past 10 years.

Getting pulled over...all the time. Reason I dont drive anymore nice rides.

Denied service a company here locally denied me cause my kind was high risk. Different company..same business pratices gave me what I needed the next day.


At gathering one night. I was the only black there. One guy started to showoff about his "skills" I was not amused. He felted slighted and stuck a gun to my temple. He said "You better laugh _ _ _ _ _!" I didnt say a thing. Someone took the gun and I left. Should I have press charges? Yea, but walking away was better.

Chris can vouch on this. I used to do car shows all over Texas and LA. If I was not near my truck when the judges came around. I would have a good chances of winning. If I was around....well a few shows my score card never showed up.


Do I think all the thing s that happen above was right? HELL NO! But, does that change me as a person? NO!

[Delock]

I can honestly say that I've met more black racists in my life than white ones.

Really? Come hang with me one night and I can change your views.

[Delock]

Are you really trying to say that a white person cannot be discriminated against based on skin color?

And, Delock, I'd love to see you be a bit more intellectually honest. In your first post you talked about how Obama had death threats and the like because of his skin color. I agree that is wrong, but with the caveat that it is a belief held by fewer people than those in the race business would have us believe. I find equally wrong what you didn't point out. Obama was elected, at least in part, because of his skin color. We saw that time and time again in interviews on election night. Why is that not equally wrong and why are you not calling those people out as racists as well with your examples?

No, like I said before. If McCain would have picked a better running partner this would be a different story. So, are you saying he was elected based on all the blacks voting for him?

[myjohnson]

I can honestly say that I've met more black racists in my life than white ones.

Me to. But this might be the result of me living in a big metropolitan for most my life and I'm Asian.

[imagirlgeek]

But I've only worked at home for the past 2 years. From the time I turned 16, I've been out in the workforce. Big corporate companies (Shell) to small, privately owned companies. I just don't think there is as much hate out there as people think there is. Are people ignorant sometimes? Yes. And that ignorance leads them to say some really stupid things. But throwing them all away as bigots or racists doesn't help the cause. And it's sad that we let the stupidity of some ruin the ability for us to talk about these things that make each of us different, without being called out as being racist or intolerant.

[marauder_77868]

I can honestly say that I've met more black racists in my life than white ones.

[ImaGuyGeek]

I was only referring to this portion of your post:

"I believe skin color is primarily a factor because it is a big business for the people who play the race card.

The only cure is to adopt a single standard for all Americans and�to use a phrase of the '60s�tell it like it is."

And I meant it when I said I wasn't referring to you specifically. As a general rule conservative middle or upper class white men are a lot less likely to be discriminated against than any other group, again IN GENERAL.

That is interesting because of the 4 "White Men" who have contributed to this thread, I know 3 of the 4 of us have been discriminated against because of the fact that we are "White" and "Male".

Technically we all have been judged (dare I say descriminated against) and our opinions discounted by you because of our gender and skin color i.e. being "the standard "

[thekarens]

I was only referring to this portion of your post:

"I believe skin color is primarily a factor because it is a big business for the people who play the race card.

The only cure is to adopt a single standard for all Americans and�to use a phrase of the '60s�tell it like it is."

And I meant it when I said I wasn't referring to you specifically. As a general rule conservative middle or upper class white men are a lot less likely to be discriminated against than any other group, again IN GENERAL.