I have a question.

[Delock]

There are plenty of blacks who are just as racist against whites as the other way around. I have had friends who tell me there family and parents are totally racist but its the way they were brought up. As if its ok for blacks to be racist and not whites. Neither is ok. Racism exists its what you do with it that defines you. I mean I am a complete mix of races but I dont let that bother me. I grew up going to a white school in which my High School was maybe 15% colored. I have to live with a constant assumption that I am Mexican when I am not even remotely connected. I have been able to break down every racial barrier by my attitude and my will power. I went to college and did not take any race based scholarships or grants because I wanted to prove it wasnt about that. I feel honestly that reverse discrimination is taking place and the policies to enforce a certain race is no longer needed in this country.

You are right to a point.

[Delock]

bigotry


1.stubborn and complete intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own. 2.the actions, beliefs, prejudices, etc., of a bigot.



—Synonyms
1. narrow-mindedness, bias, discrimination.


In this very thread thekarens while telling of her experiences with bigotry dismissed my post because of my gender and the color of my skin then labeled me with a term meant to marginalize me as an individual which displayed intolerance of my belief and opinion because it differed from hers. Bigotry!

Thanks...I was wondering who it was directed to!

[Darbex]

There are plenty of blacks who are just as racist against whites as the other way around. I have had friends who tell me there family and parents are totally racist but its the way they were brought up. As if its ok for blacks to be racist and not whites. Neither is ok. Racism exists its what you do with it that defines you. I mean I am a complete mix of races but I dont let that bother me. I grew up going to a white school in which my High School was maybe 15% colored. I have to live with a constant assumption that I am Mexican when I am not even remotely connected. I have been able to break down every racial barrier by my attitude and my will power. I went to college and did not take any race based scholarships or grants because I wanted to prove it wasnt about that. I feel honestly that reverse discrimination is taking place and the policies to enforce a certain race is no longer needed in this country.

[Darbex]

Why is a person skin color a factor?

I see and hear alot about our President. How people want to kill him. How this and that. But, I sit back and wonder what would be said if his skin color contain less pigmentation.


I used to wonder how people see me being who I am in this hobby. Honestly, when I see others I see a person and not a skin color. Really everyone is somewhat lucent to me. The positive you are the more lucent you become. Negative then you will fade out.

So really why does skin color plays part in today society? And don't pussy foot around the question either. Your answer will not make me feel any different from you because I already know how most really feel)

Why did people elect a man solely on his skin color and not the principles he believes in. There were several tests where people said Obama believed in ideas that McCain did and a bunch of people in colored neighborhoods said yes I agree with that but when they were told that they just agreed to what McCain stood for they got all upset and then came forward with the truth that they didnt know anything about politics and just wanted a black man to be president. D it goes both ways both are not right but it happens so please dont single out one side of the coin.

[ImaGuyGeek]

Explain?

bigotry


1.stubborn and complete intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own. 2.the actions, beliefs, prejudices, etc., of a bigot.



—Synonyms
1. narrow-mindedness, bias, discrimination.


In this very thread thekarens while telling of her experiences with bigotry dismissed my post because of my gender and the color of my skin then labeled me with a term meant to marginalize me as an individual which displayed intolerance of my belief and opinion because it differed from hers. Bigotry!

[Delock]

Isn't it ironic that victims of bigotry can be bigots themselves?

Explain?

[jeebus]

yea...change to an albino?

Then you'll just get stared at.. not a viable solution!

[eklikewhoa]

I think it plays a huge role in everyday life.

Can't judge a book by it's cover but people sure damn well will base their decision on whether to allow it to prove itself otherwise

[stevenallenbarnard]

I personally thingthat most people are somewhat predisposed to their own race. (I say most because there are SEVERAL white girls walking around my apts with cornrows in their hair if you know what I mean.) It doesn't necessarily mean that one dislikes/hates another race. Prejudice does exist on all sides of the spectrum though. My family was poor so I always lived where it was kinda ghetto (I went to elementary school on MLK Blvd) and I can't tell you how many times I was called a "punk *** white boy" just walking to the corner store. My family is also VERY VERY VERY southern, so I also remember the time my 102 year old great grandfather made the comment that the chocolate pie looked like MArtin Luther King one thanksgiving about 15 years ago. we'll always feel more comfortable around cultures that we grew up with.

[Nickintex]

Isn't it ironic that victims of bigotry can be bigots themselves?

[Delock]

Sooooo.... what's the solution? Actually, lets first identify all the contributing factors to the problem, then lets talk solution.

yea...change to an albino?

[Mzungu]

What I meant was, just as Tropheus are basically one species of fish, there are variants within the species for different reasons: locale, habitat, whatever... y'all know better than I why they are there and why they look different than the next variant. Earlier this was given as an example of micro-evolution.

Each variant, if mated with a member of the same variant, will produce offspring of that variant. However, they can reproduce with members of other variants which will produce something of a mix, a hybrid (not sure hybrid is the right word here). Those offspring are still tropheus but not a recognized member either of the original variants. Also, members of the same variant when they reproduce will not have offspring of another variant. For instance, when two pure Duboisi mate they will not produce a school of Rainbows (can't remember the variant name of those gorgeous rainbows).

Ok, I look at humans the same way. From the human Genome project we know that humans have a common ancestor in Africa, a woman some had dubbed Mother Eve. When humans migrated out of Africa they began to change subtly for various reasons into what we now call races. If two Namibians reproduce, their baby will look much like them in features, hair and skin tone. Two Japanese will produce a baby that looks like the Japanese mom and dad. Each of these "races" are simply variants of the human species. Just like the Tropheus, when mated with a member of their own variant, the offspring looks similar to the original. When mated with a different variant, the offspring is something in between.

Mark

Ahh, okay. Gotcha. Thanks!

With humans, since we're all the same species, many have tried to find a scientific basis for race. Unfortunately for them, what they've found is that the genetic differences within "races" are more numerous than those found when comparing a different "race" to another.

A bit off topic, but it's exciting that more genetic analyses are being done with African cichlid species. This could really shed some light on their origins, as well as confuse the heck out of those of us trying to keep up with their scientific names. )

[wesleydnunder]

?? Not entirely sure what you mean, Mark. But, sorry for any confusion, I was talking about humans. :)

What I meant was, just as Tropheus are basically one species of fish, there are variants within the species for different reasons: locale, habitat, whatever... y'all know better than I why they are there and why they look different than the next variant. Earlier this was given as an example of micro-evolution.

Each variant, if mated with a member of the same variant, will produce offspring of that variant. However, they can reproduce with members of other variants which will produce something of a mix, a hybrid (not sure hybrid is the right word here). Those offspring are still tropheus but not a recognized member either of the original variants. Also, members of the same variant when they reproduce will not have offspring of another variant. For instance, when two pure Duboisi mate they will not produce a school of Rainbows (can't remember the variant name of those gorgeous rainbows).

Ok, I look at humans the same way. From the human Genome project we know that humans have a common ancestor in Africa, a woman some had dubbed Mother Eve. When humans migrated out of Africa they began to change subtly for various reasons into what we now call races. If two Namibians reproduce, their baby will look much like them in features, hair and skin tone. Two Japanese will produce a baby that looks like the Japanese mom and dad. Each of these "races" are simply variants of the human species. Just like the Tropheus, when mated with a member of their own variant, the offspring looks similar to the original. When mated with a different variant, the offspring is something in between, but still a human.

Mark

[Mzungu]

More from the link you posted, jeebus (BTW, it sounds like my physical anthro professor wrote this, LOL):

"The Statement on "Race" (1998) composed by a select committee of anthropologists and issued by the executive board of the American Anthropological Association as a statement they "believe [...] represents generally the contemporary thinking and scholarly positions of a majority of anthropologists", declares:

With the vast expansion of scientific knowledge in this century, ... it has become clear that human populations are not unambiguous, clearly demarcated, biologically distinct groups. [...] Given what we know about the capacity of normal humans to achieve and function within any culture, we conclude that present-day inequalities between so-called "racial" groups are not consequences of their biological inheritance but products of historical and contemporary social, economic, educational, and political circumstances.[10]

In an ongoing debate, some geneticists argue that race is neither a meaningful concept nor a useful heuristic device,[67] and even that genetic differences among groups are biologically meaningless,[68] because more genetic variation exists within such races than among them, and that racial traits overlap without discrete boundaries."

[Mzungu]

Micro-evolution, like the Tropheus variants.

Mark

?? Not entirely sure what you mean, Mark. But, sorry for any confusion, I was talking about humans. :)