150g tropheus tank build.UPDATED with more videos 8/14

[eklikewhoa]

It's all good, and I'm not taking no offense to this. Love sharing thoughts.

Ok,

Lets say Cuong here was to have 10x 2262s on his tank (if that was possible). Would you advise him to do less water changes? Or for that matter never do a water change? What about 1 water change per year?
He probably would have the clearest fish tank that doesn't belong to Seaworld, but that doesn't mean there's not nitrates cooking in his 10x Eheim 2262s. Now if you want to get into Nitrates, the fish would adapt the rising nitrates so he could get away with it. The 10x filtration would definitely circulate and process the nitrogen cycle a lot faster than say a single 2262. (the sooner the waste comes in contact with the beneficial bacteria the sooner it gets processed)

Canisters are great! But like everything else too much of a good thing can be bad.
I agree, 10x would be on the really high end of the spectrum but honestly this now turns to how Cuong would set these filters up. If he stuffed half of them full of polishing pads then it would greatly slow down the flow and if I would add polish the crap out of the water. the others on only bio-media, then he could quite possibly have this work for him.

Canisters are notorious for being nitrate factory if not cared for.
This is true and you just contradicted yourself. How would they become nitrate factories if they were not in fact a big part of the nitrogen cycle? Even if you used only filter padding in the filters that would also turn into bio-media, probably not as efficient as actual media but still the same. With a 2262 full of padding I would imagine it would compensate for the lack of media in comparison to a smaller filter.

You would be setting him up for failure, instead of cleaning 1x 2262 he now has 10 of them to clean, at the same time he didn't make a difference, he still needed to do water changes. More work means you're going to burn yourself out, which is one of the reasons that I shyed away from my 210g.

He would still have to do water changes but in this statement I disagree. If he had one filter for the one tank with lets say 40 fish worth of waste. This one filter would have to filter the whole tank and then in turn clog up that much sooner vs. the 10x filters which would "share" the work load so you have this.... 1filter/40 fish vs. 10x filters which would = 4fish worth of waste per filter. He could get away with not cleaning them as frequently as long as water changes are maintained as a means of nutrient export.

Now here's a twist in the mix... adding a nitrate filter... anaerobic bacteria filters consume NitrAtes from the water so if he were to add one of these to his 10x filters he would get away with not having to do water changes and cleaning filters as often since the efficiency of each filter is not impacted as soon since the work load and waste is spread amongst the 10 and the NitrAte filter is removing the end product of the nitrogen cycle. He would now only have to add back the Minerals/nutrients that the fish have utilized so now instead of having to remove anything it's simplified to just dumping a few things in every now and then.


edited to add: what burns people out IMO is the lack of proper research prior to "diving in". Set it up right in the beginning and you won't have to deal with the frustrations of failure later. Yes, you could burn yourself out by adding unnecessary work upon yourself but there's always a way.

[cu0ngsayz]

lighting came in.. its like Christmas in april!!!!
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[aggrofishkeeper]

If the tank isn't already setup I would recommend painting the tank instead. I find that water finds a way of getting out of the tank and onto the back of the aquarium leaving water stains on the glass and it's hard to get to once the tank is setup.

So if you paint it, you won't even notice if that happens.

[cu0ngsayz]

i was thinking that too.. but im putting up a background soon so everything behind it will be covered..

[eklikewhoa]

just my opinion but... having the pipe in the center is hideous, the overflow probably won't be so bad being clear once you get a background on there but move the pipes to the sides.

[aggrofishkeeper]

It's all good, and I'm not taking no offense to this. Love sharing thoughts.

Ok,

Lets say Cuong here was to have 10x 2262s on his tank (if that was possible). Would you advise him to do less water changes? Or for that matter never do a water change? What about 1 water change per year?
He probably would have the clearest fish tank that doesn't belong to Seaworld, but that doesn't mean there's not nitrates cooking in his 10x Eheim 2262s.

Canisters are great! But like everything else too much of a good thing can be bad.

Canisters are notorious for being nitrate factory if not cared for.

You would be setting him up for failure, instead of cleaning 1x 2262 he now has 10 of them to clean, at the same time he didn't make a difference, he still needed to do water changes. More work means you're going to burn yourself out, which is one of the reasons that I shyed away from my 210g.

[cu0ngsayz]

tank set-up
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the wet/dry didnt wanna fit through the doors so i had to take the tank down and drop the wet dry through the top! so that wet dry aint going anywhere...

[eklikewhoa]

I didn't say over doing filtration is bad IF you can maintain it, I'm simply saying 1 2262 and a PC300 is ENOUGH. It's ADEQUATE. (a better vocabulary) for his tank.

The SOLE PURPOSE of a filter is not to create flow in the tank or oxygenating the water, that's what powerheads and bubble makers do. Let me say this to be clear, I'm not saying filters don't do that either, they do. The sole purpose of a filter is to remove excessive decaying waste that can turn into ammonia which can lead to ammonia poisoning.

Inside your tank makes up the biggest part of your tanks biological filtration, not your filter. A canister filter for the most part is mechanical filtration.

Cuong 100ML can treat up to 100g for 6 months.

Filters come with bio-media though and the specifically designed media is to house beneficial bacteria in which would compare to substrate in your tank, if sand is used then just the upper levels of the sand would do this, so actually canisters house the most part of your filtration.

Now you say a canister's sole purpose is to remove decaying waste which can turn into ammonia, now based on what you said above, wouldn't the collection of decaying waste inside the canister, which btw is circulating the tank's water volume, be one of the same? instead of decaying in the tank it would be doing so in the canister now. But now if the canisters were bio-filters it would resolve this wouldn't it?

I agree though that any surface inside your tank or any part of the tank that comes in contact with water will become host to beneficial bacteria but what happens when you do water changes and most of that dries out? You lose your bacteria.


Not picking on you bro, just engaging in some good ole discussion, something this forum hasn't seen a lot of lately.

[aggrofishkeeper]

I didn't say over doing filtration is bad IF you can maintain it, I'm simply saying 1 2262 and a PC300 is ENOUGH. It's ADEQUATE. (a better vocabulary) for his tank.

The SOLE PURPOSE of a filter is not to create flow in the tank or oxygenating the water, that's what powerheads and bubble makers do. Let me say this to be clear, I'm not saying filters don't do that either, they do. The sole purpose of a filter is to remove excessive decaying waste that can turn into ammonia which can lead to ammonia poisoning.

Inside your tank makes up the biggest part of your tanks biological filtration, not your filter. A canister filter for the most part is mechanical filtration.

Cuong 100ML can treat up to 100g for 6 months.

[eklikewhoa]

I think its personal preference, with enough flow the filters would do its job wherever placed.. personally I rather have them in the corners away from plain view.

[eklikewhoa]

Based on AF's logic, 1L for every 1,000gals for 6 months.


Oh wait....that all would be dependent on turnover rate of the filter used in and waste load.

[New_Cichlid11]

that should be good water movement, as for purigen i say 250ml in the 2262 or the sump

[cu0ngsayz]

i run 2 2260 on each side and overflow, if it was you i would set intake one corner and return in the other along with powerheads

I have the overflow box and 2262 intake in the middle of the tank.. The return for the 2262 is on the right end and the mag9.5 on the left end.

[New_Cichlid11]

i run 2 2260 on each side and overflow, if it was you i would set intake one corner and return in the other along with powerheads

[cu0ngsayz]

Everything aside. How much purigen would I need for the filter?