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TheHighestCrew
11-13-2012, 03:33 PM
Hey ya'll,

I have been slowly but surely adding new life to my 40 gallon breeder. It is a natural planted soil based tank. I used to have a beautiful halfmoon double tail male betta. He unfortunately died in my new tank because I stupidly did not put a sponge filter or a rock pile around the intake for my power head. Well I was very upset at myself for killing him in such a terrible way and rethought my layout before i bought another. I really love bettas so I knew I wanted another one. Now that my tank is safely cycled and has had fish in it for a couple of months I felt it was time for a new betta. I have been very interested in the Giant Plakats and was going to source one on aquabid. I was perusing my local petco for any interesting fish and I always look at the bettas. My roomate read the placard and noticed that the "king" betta they sell is also known as a giant plakat. So I looked over the kings they had and they are definitely much larger in body size than the others. My research has led me to believe that the "king" bettas they sell are actually half giants. This was very exciting to me because even if it is only a half giant it gives me interesting genetics to work with at much cheaper than aquabid. I picked up the King I liked the looks of the most and he is almost identical in size and shape to the giants I am currently seeing on aquabid. I know he won't get as big as the full blooded giants (up to 7" holy sh*t) but still a 3-4" betta is pretty impressive. Apparently they do not normally sell the king females and I have only heard of them being found accidentally by checking the betta section for years. Either way I am very excited about getting back into the betta arena. I hope to get some giant females from aquabid. It would be interesting to see what kind of fry one of the "kings" and a female giant from Thailand may produce. Hopefully I can get some decent pictures of him!

allysangels
11-13-2012, 04:02 PM
extreme fish&pet is selling the same "king" bettas for much cheaper than petco. and i'm willing to bet they are in better health as well.

TheHighestCrew
11-15-2012, 12:11 PM
awesome thanks for the tip, I will have to check them out!

AhKwaB
11-15-2012, 12:50 PM
Agree, there's usually a few giants there as well, at least in the past there was.

allysangels
11-15-2012, 01:44 PM
it's funny. the "king" bettas at petco are just betta splendens that have been line bred for size. they sell for 19.99 + tax. extreme was 6.99 i think. :)

mistahoo
11-15-2012, 01:58 PM
Yeah it's like $7 for one, but I wouldn't say they are in better condition. They do, however, feed them on a consistent basis. I've noticed a new belly ups having fungus and all kinds of stuff growing on them.

troy tucker
11-15-2012, 02:16 PM
Extreme can have some of the coolest stuff but they have No Returns. If it dies its yours. last time I was there most of their livestock looked sick but I still keep going back...

TheHighestCrew
11-15-2012, 02:17 PM
If they have real giants I will be all over that! I need to check them out on the way home. I just realized that HAW is like a block or two from my job so I am gonna stop by after work and see if they have any interesting driftwood. Now I am having this urge to get a pea puffer from FG... It Never Ends!!!

mistahoo
11-15-2012, 02:33 PM
HAW has a few of Ally's bettas for sale I think. He also have a lot of nice manzanita driftwood and even some super branchy ones.

TheHighestCrew
11-15-2012, 02:40 PM
Dope I was hoping to find some manzanita driftwood!

mistahoo
11-15-2012, 02:45 PM
He's got small ones and big ones. The smallest are about a foot and get up to about 3'

TheHighestCrew
11-15-2012, 02:51 PM
Sweet! hopefully I can find a big branchy piece for my 40b

mistahoo
11-15-2012, 02:55 PM
He has a few small extremely branchy pieces that are about 1.5'. The larger pieces aren't as branchy, but still good and you could arrange it to seem branchy. They're all quality stock though

allysangels
11-15-2012, 05:15 PM
there is lots of nice manzanita at HAW. i took my bettas back home, however, they are still for sale. and i have pre-soaked manzanita. :)

TheHighestCrew
11-16-2012, 12:35 PM
So I hit up HAW yesterday and got a pretty dope piece of manzanita, price was good and selection was decent! Thanks for the pro tip guys :D. I also went by Extreme Pets and they do have a far better betta selection! Prices way better also. They were out of giants but have some more on order so I will peep them out. I really like their selection of fish.

mistahoo
11-16-2012, 03:15 PM
I mainly go to Xtreme for their oddballs. One of the best stores for oddballs. Not so much of anything else.

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TheHighestCrew
11-17-2012, 01:41 PM
So how long do you guys soak your driftwood? I have had it soaking in a big trash can since I got it. It seems to have absorbed a ton of water. It is a nice piece of manzanita and I cannot wait to put it in. I do not have anything big enough to boil it.

bettascapes
11-18-2012, 11:11 PM
I have 2 spawns from this salamander male and his sister if you are interested, I am located out of Austin but I will be in Houston (Rosenberg and Richmond) for Thanksgiving. I can bring down fish for anyone else who is interested. I have about 150+ fish ready to go and about 500+ fry that are old enough to sell. Check me out on Facebook or email me if you would like to see my stock.

Edit: This is a giant pair imported from Thailand, however I breed every kind of betta and most colors.

TheHighestCrew
11-19-2012, 02:00 AM
wow that guy is a beast. Yeah I will pm you about the giants.

suicune
11-19-2012, 10:01 PM
those king betta are actually plakat..... that grow a bit bigger than normal... I actually wanted one but there wasn't nice one at the time I was looking.

bettascapes
11-20-2012, 12:12 AM
King Betta are not true giant betta, instead they are Betta Raja x with Betta Splendens. King betta do not get as large as Giant betta and they are entirely different fish, Giant betta is a genetic mutation which allows an unregulated growth hormone to be released throughout the fish's life. I only have Giant Plakats at the moment but by next summer I will have more varieties of Giant betta fry for sale.

TheHighestCrew
11-20-2012, 12:24 AM
can a bubble nester breed with a mouth brooder?

bettascapes
11-20-2012, 09:52 AM
As long as it can fertilize the eggs, they can be artificially hatched. A lot of halfmoon betta eat their eggs so we pull the eggs and artificially hatch them.

TheHighestCrew
11-20-2012, 03:37 PM
Interesting. That is pretty sh*tty if they are doing that.

bettascapes
11-20-2012, 04:01 PM
I artificially hatch all the time, just replace the egg eater with a good parent.

TheHighestCrew
11-21-2012, 01:10 PM
I mean cross breeding different species. I want to check out some of your Giants. Do you have a storefront in Austin?

bettascapes
11-22-2012, 11:43 AM
Not a storefront but we have a huge double wide garage as our fish room. I was referring to that, you can cross different species but you will have to artificially hatch in the case of Betta Raja x with Betta Splendens, you'd be surprised how a lot of fish come to be. A big part of my breeding program is inbreeding the siblings x parents.

black_knight
11-29-2012, 06:14 PM
can a bubble nester breed with a mouth brooder?
Diffrent betta complexes have diffrent breeding stratagies. Those in the macrostoma and unimaculata complex are large mouth brooders. They cannot cross with those in the splendens complex, which are bubble nest builders. However the coccina complez, which are mainly nest building cave spawners, are reported in some species to convert to mouth brooding, however they will not cross with anything from the splendens complex (which are imbellis "peaceful betta", smaragdina, splendens, ect.- many of these where crossed to get the modern domestic betta and all the varying colors, and shapes and sizes like the plakats). Betta albimarginata will hybridize with betta channoides (they are in the same complex and employ mouth brooding), but they will not breed with macrostoma (they wind up a nice meal though). Hope that was helpful.