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Lawsman
12-18-2009, 04:24 PM
So, as many of you know, I work at MD Anderson as a Principal Project Manager in Patient Care areas.

The new MD Anderson Children's cancer hospital is going is planning on getting a major renovation in two to three years.

But, I thought we could think about collecting $ to install a new fish tank on the children's wing sooner than the two or three years.

Everyone knows how kids love aquariums, so how nice would it be if we (this forum body) collectively donate $ to the sick kids!

Here's my thoughts:

I will call ADG and inquire on their interest in providing their expertise and $.
If ADG agrees, all monies collected would go straight to ADG into some form of escrow account until such time enough monies are collected to provide a nice kid friendly tank.

I will meet with Children's Nursing staff and management to determine where in their floor would a tank be placed. I have a few good ideas already. Tank would need to be thick, don't want kids banging into glass with their IV poles, etc and cracking it.

So Admin's and forum members, what do you think?

There is no personal financial gain in this for me, so let's not worry about that. I bet I can even get the hospital to fund some $?

We could get a plaque made and placed next to tank.


Any other ideas? Any volunteers to help raise $?

mark razmandi
12-18-2009, 04:30 PM
thats a GREAT idea and i would love to help

imagirlgeek
12-18-2009, 05:13 PM
I love it! Fantastic idea! Let us know what we can do!

Lawsman
12-18-2009, 07:59 PM
Well, I think I(we) need to speak with ADG-Mike S. first to gauge his interest level. I will handle this if you want? If he agrees, then I suggest we set up a place on this forum to send PayPal donations to ADG or where ever everyone feels most comfortable.

Then we can also solicit our sponsors and individuals forum members. Maybe you can have a poll to determine what type of fish would make most sense for kids to enjoy? Then plan from there?

I am not thinking we get this done anytime real soon. I'm thinking summer sometime would be okay?

I know MD Anderson has a Kids play/craft room and it is fairly large, this might be a good place to put the tank.

Let it be known, if people want, we can do this over at Texas Children's Hospital or where ever, I really have no hidden agenda here, except trying to do something good for sick innocent kids.

So, if the Admin's decision really, since the plaque will say donated by members of the Houston Fishbox and ADG??? I know ADG does a lot of business at MD Anderson, so that is why I thought they would be supportive of this as well. They may do other Kid's hospitals too, so I would leave this up to everyone.

Gene D
12-18-2009, 08:08 PM
I would be happy to donate for this

Roujin
12-21-2009, 03:53 PM
I would too. Where is the children's wing? Alkek?

Lawsman
12-21-2009, 06:59 PM
Yes, on the 7th floor in Alkek. Right now, the Children's wing occupies 1/2 the floor. I believe the long term plan is to have one floor dedicated only to Children and make it more kid friendly. The plan is to make the floor look more like Kid's hospital and not an adult hospital.

fshfrk
12-22-2009, 05:33 PM
Acrylic might be better than glass? I'm in for donations. This is a great ideal!

Lawsman
12-22-2009, 08:15 PM
Yeah, I thought about acrylic too, but I know it scratches easily. I think this decision will be best made by ADG.

I really want the members here to bring forth ideas as well as the $. I think getting the $ may be easier than determining the who's, what, where's and when?

I know a bunch of vendors/contractors who do a lot of business with MDACC and I'm certain they would be willing to donate. I really just need the support from the Admin's/owner of this forum. I kinda want this project headed up by forum members and I will be the conduit between the forum and MDACC Administrators. Why? Because it should be about the Houston Aquarist's who want to donate their experience and $ to a cause that we all know kids will love!

It might even mean we do a well planted community tank? I don't know? Not sure it would be a good idea of keeping Petro's-a bit too aggressive for kids to see?

imagirlgeek
12-22-2009, 09:37 PM
I really just need the support from the Admin's/owner of this forum.

Um...I'm the forum owner and in post #3 I said...

"I love it! Fantastic idea! Let us know what we can do!" :eusa_shifty:

But officially, here it is....

HFB will do whatever we can to put in place an aquarium for the children's hospital. Those involved in this cause are encouraged to use HFB for communication, organizing, planning, and collecting donations.

I am Imagirlgeek, owner of Houstonfishbox.com, and I approve this message. :D

Lawsman
12-22-2009, 11:12 PM
Got it. Sorry, did not know or remember imagirlgeek was the owner. I apologize.

So, do you want me to contact Mike S. with ADG or do you want to? Probably be best if you make initial contact with him? If he likes the idea, we would then need him to set up a PayPal account? I don't know? Your thoughts?

Thanks so much! I think we can do this!!!!!!

imagirlgeek
12-23-2009, 01:04 AM
MB, aka Mzungu, works for ADG. Maybe we can get her help. I'll PM her.

geoff_tropheus
12-23-2009, 01:29 AM
oh yeah!!

Lawslady
01-11-2010, 09:01 AM
Lawsman and I would like to thank all of you that expressed interest in helping with the charity tank for MD Anderson Children's Hospital. However, the owner and administrator of HoustonFishBox.com has decided that they will not support this charitable effort. We thought you should all be aware of this change. The efforts to install the tank will continue without the support of this forum. Thank you.

Lawslady
01-11-2010, 09:51 AM
Um...I'm the forum owner and in post #3 I said...

"I love it! Fantastic idea! Let us know what we can do!" :eusa_shifty:

But officially, here it is....

HFB will do whatever we can to put in place an aquarium for the children's hospital. Those involved in this cause are encouraged to use HFB for communication, organizing, planning, and collecting donations.

I am Imagirlgeek, owner of Houstonfishbox.com, and I approve this message. :D

Although the support of the forum administration has been withdrawn, members may still wish to participate and help with this project. Those of you who wish to suppport the children's tank, outside of HoustonFishBox.com, can contact us at dalaws@gmail.com. Thanks again.

Delock
01-11-2010, 12:27 PM
I have a stupid question. Why not ask the GC to provide the tank! Since thier profit margin is huge it would be a simple write off for them.

Delock
01-11-2010, 12:34 PM
Oh...also!

I'm speaking for myself and no one else...but I think you being a little to harsh on the site not backing your project. Even though I think it's a wonderful thing to do, this website should not be a major player in this. Nor contacting ADG directly. If this a project you want to see I would advise you to contact the POWERS to be at MD Anderson and go up the chain of command. There are liabitly issues at stake for this site and members.

1. Insurance and bonds. For this site to "sponsor this" we would need to carry some form of insurance and bonds. A cracked or leaky tank can cause alot of damage.

2. Maintence. who will provide it once it's set up? US? THEM? blah

Not to come off harsh...but sometime a little push is needed

myjohnson
01-11-2010, 01:36 PM
1. Insurance and bonds. For this site to "sponsor this" we would need to carry some form of insurance and bonds. A cracked or leaky tank can cause alot of damage.


I agree 100% with the liability issues. Unless a contract is in place to limit said liability then HFB should not "sponsor" the project. I deal with clients everyday that sue and get sued over the dumbest things. A cracked or leaky tank means endless litigation cost for both sides.

ImaGuyGeek
01-11-2010, 02:11 PM
Lawsman and I would like to thank all of you that expressed interest in helping with the charity tank for MD Anderson Children's Hospital. However, the owner and administrator of HoustonFishBox.com has decided that they will not support this charitable effort. We thought you should all be aware of this change. The efforts to install the tank will continue without the support of this forum. Thank you.

Just a little clarification on this matter.

HFB (the site and the community) has and will continue to support this endeavor as a place for coordination and communication as long as it and those responsible comply with the rules and guidelines of the forum. HFB (the site) cannot "Sponsor" or "Manage" this project at this time, nor has HFB (the site) offered to do so. For Legal/liability reasons, HFB (the site) has not made adequate arrangements to do so. HFB (the site) should not be represented by any members as the "Sponsor" of this project. To HFB's knowledge, this project and all responsibility is wholly owned by it's coordinator (HFB Screen name: Lawsman).

Lawslady
01-11-2010, 02:24 PM
Oh...also!

I'm speaking for myself and no one else...but I think you being a little to harsh on the site not backing your project. Even though I think it's a wonderful thing to do, this website should not be a major player in this. Nor contacting ADG directly. If this a project you want to see I would advise you to contact the POWERS to be at MD Anderson and go up the chain of command. There are liabitly issues at stake for this site and members.

1. Insurance and bonds. For this site to "sponsor this" we would need to carry some form of insurance and bonds. A cracked or leaky tank can cause alot of damage.

2. Maintence. who will provide it once it's set up? US? THEM? blah

Not to come off harsh...but sometime a little push is needed

The general contractor in a state low bid job, such as MD Anderson, does not care about repeat business. They focus on low bids and not establishing relationships. This is Lawsmans job and he deals with the daily. MD Anderson has many, many aquariums throughout the properties and has an existing contract with ADG for maintenance. They are already bonded and insured. The tank in the Children's Hospital would fall under this existing contract. HFB would have no liability. The desire was to have HFB members donate their expertise, time and perhaps money, if they so wish. By sponser we only meant support the communication, fundraising, and help with the design (under the guidance of ADG). In previous conversations there was never a mention of a concern over liability.

Delock
01-11-2010, 02:47 PM
The general contractor in a state low bid job, such as MD Anderson, does not care about repeat business. They focus on low bids and not establishing relationships. This is Lawsmans job and he deals with the daily. MD Anderson has many, many aquariums throughout the properties and has an existing contract with ADG for maintenance. They are already bonded and insured. The tank in the Children's Hospital would fall under this existing contract. HFB would have no liability. The desire was to have HFB members donate their expertise, time and perhaps money, if they so wish. By sponser we only meant support the communication, fundraising, and help with the design (under the guidance of ADG). In previous conversations there was never a mention of a concern over liability.


Not to beat a dead horse anymore...trust me if they using Means...which they have too! A nice profit is being made. I think I deal with it daily also...let me check on that.

Now to the other stuff.maybe it is I. However, until you posted the above info it was never mention that the tank would fall under ADG existing contract and such.

In addition, I did not see what size tank, fish, or anything else. Not even location..you need this info to match the drawings as related to power and water. Moreover, where the nearest drain or restroom. Trust me..I would go thru the PM for the GC and speak to them about donating a tank. If you do not feel like you can do it then let us all raise money and buy my tank and we could use it!

Plus.if you are a Construction PM, you should know about liability of allowing one entity to come in and work on another entity project. This being said before your last post that we (HFB) and possible ADG would be responsible for the tank and cleaning. Thus some agreement would have to be meet with the GC since the things mention above would need to be discuss and etc etc etc....hope I did not twist what you were saying around.

Dang I forgot to use smileys............
here you go :ph43r:;)):cool::p;):lol::roll::eusa_whistle::cry: :icon_hang:

Lawslady
01-11-2010, 06:46 PM
There is no cost code for an aquarium in Means, unless of course you have information that I don't. I would be happy to take a look at that when you find it. All aquariums in MDA would are either currently maintained by ADG or are being transitioned to ADG. Do you think they would not do a good job? Have you seen the aquariums in MDA? They are beautiful, unlike the one I recently saw in St. Luke's CVICU waiting room. Of course the electrical and plumbing would need to be evaluated and we have already spoken to ADG about being a part of this evaluation and planning. MDA does nothing without an engineer sign off, which is why we would like to get this project moving. I assure you that this project will be done professionally and correctly. We have already obtain appoval from the powers that be at MDA such as infection control and safety.

Oh yeah........here's your smiley.

<Removed smiley. This is a forum for all ages.> - imagirlgeek

Delock
01-11-2010, 07:17 PM
;))See, if you were half the project manager you make out to be you would have understood my original post. I SAID!!!! Ask the GC or contact the powers to be at MD Anderson. Depending on the size which you never said. Most GC's would donate the tanks as a tax write off.

Plus...before you go out and asked everyone for money or time. Spell your plan out a little more detail. Sorry that you found someone to bust your bubble on this. But a few of us on here knows about construction.

And MR. Project Manager....http://www.reedconstructiondata.com/smartbuildingindex/Commissioning-of-Aquariums/

Tips on Estimating Commissioning of Aquarium Costs from RSMeans (http://rsmeans.reedconstructiondata.com/)

Commissioning of Aquariums - 13 08 13

Covering All Bases
If you take outside quotes as an aid to estimating Special Construction, review the scope of work covered in those quotes. It may be that the outside agent has wrongfully assumed that you will provide traditionally supplied items such as excavation or an unloading crane. Check to make sure that it is covered somewhere in your estimate, and that it is not carried by both parties.
Interfaces
Review all documentation to ensure that all interfaces, such as electrical connections and control wiring, are accounted for. These items have a habit of falling through the cracks of an estimate.



Everything is in RS MEANS!:lol:

Now get off your wife account before you get her account in trouble.

Lawslady
01-11-2010, 07:45 PM
MDACC only uses Means for projects less than $15 k of late. Most of the new projects are CSP. As you know Vaughn does a lot of business at MDACC, but they do not offer much in charity for aquariums. Yeah, we could probally get a GC to pay for it, but they will make it up someplace else. They are in the business to make money. Dave has met with infection control and EH&S to get their buy in. Next step is to meet with the Dir. of Nursing to get her views. If she agrees, then he will follow the steps you so intligently laid out.

So, Dave would rather ask for $ from non GC's, because there will always be that "you owe me" deal when things get tough in negotiating a construction contract. I guess your code of ethics does not take that into account, tax write off or not! Oh, did Dave tell you MD Anderson has their own Millwork shop-so only engineers stamp will be needed!

This was meant to be a tank donated by local aquarists, not local GC's. Simple as that!

I wil make sure Dave is aware of your comments about ADG.

imagirlgeek
01-11-2010, 08:04 PM
At the end of the day, it doesn't matter. Liability had nothing to do with why I chose to opt out.

The reason I chose to remove my involvement was because Lawsman and I had serious communication issues and, at his request, his donation to HFB was refunded and his account was cancelled. Simple as that.

As I told Lawsman, he could still coordinate with any members who were interested in being involved, but HFB as a website would not be. The line below is a direct quote.

"Since you are choosing to leave HFB, and it has become obvious that you and I cannot work together, I think it's safe to say that HFB will no longer be involved in the charity tank. If you have already coordinated with other members, of course that is not my business, but HFB (as a website) will no longer be involved."

Lawslady
01-11-2010, 08:10 PM
That's right! David donated the money on behalf to HFB to local animal shelter becasue HFB sells dogs on a fish forum!

imagirlgeek
01-11-2010, 08:33 PM
Good, I'm glad the money went to a good cause.

Again, to be clear, "HFB" doesn't sell dogs. And that whole conversation has already been hashed out here (http://www.houstonfishbox.com/vforums/showthread.php?32804-Suggestion). Anyone interested in reading my views is welcome to visit that link.

ImaGuyGeek
01-11-2010, 09:10 PM
Puppies! Get your Puppies here... before we turn them into a new coat for girlgeek. Get em while their hot, uh warm.

Absurd! :emt_crazy:

FIREFISH
01-11-2010, 10:21 PM
I'll take one of each Sir. Thank you so much.

Ha Ha Ha What is the deal man??

FF

Complexity
01-11-2010, 10:36 PM
I think it's dead already. http://www.houstonfishbox.com/vforums/asset.php?fid=1782&uid=4926&d=1263267139

ImaGuyGeek
01-11-2010, 10:43 PM
I'll take one of each Sir. Thank you so much.

Ha Ha Ha What is the deal man??

FF
Go read this, here (http://www.houstonfishbox.com/vforums/../showthread.php?32804-Suggestion) Lawsman has accused HFB of supporting puppy mills and now Lawslady has accused us of running puppy mills and Lawsman has threatened to sick the AKC legal dogs (Hehehe, pun) on us to have HFB shut down. The here (http://www.houstonfishbox.com/vforums/../showthread.php?32804-Suggestion) link gives you a little of this nonsense for background.

It's pretty funny for those who know us since we are fish and cat people. No dogs at the geeks house.