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    After losing my 2 pictus to an unknown killer, I have now lost all 3 Hexanematichthys seemani/Columbian Sharks.

    When I lost my 2 pictus I was trying to figure out what was wrong with them. At first I thought it was because I added the aquarium salt, but according to several sources that was probably unlikely. I was told it could've been possible that they burned themselves on the heater and it was too bad for them to survive. Either way, I still really don't know what happened to them. When they passed, I continued to do the last treatment of ich and the last water change.

    Pictus signs: Bubbled and flakey looking skin (died within 2 days) (products used, wardley's ich sensitive and aquarium salt)
    Tank specs: (55gal) 80-84 F, pH 7.4, Ammonia 0, Nitrite .25ppm, Nitrate 5ppm

    That same day my sharks had moved to the area my pictus had once been in (close to the heater). I noticed that 1 shark's skin started looking a bit rough. He was also doing some extreme acrobatic swimming (flipping and flopping around). The other 2 were starting to do the same and scratching themselves against the aquarium and rocks. So I decided to move the sharks to a 10gal hospital tank to treat them seperately. I treated them with "ich attack" and then added some melafix for the damage that was on their skin. (from what I thought was scratching on the rocks) That evening we lost 1 shark. The next morning, the 2 left looked WORSE  8O I immediately did a 50% water change because all I could smell was the melafix and the top of the water looked almost like suds. A few hours later another one passed. Last night a did another treatment of "ich attack". This morning the last one was dead. I have NO CLUE why they suddenly got so sick??

    Columbian Shark signs: Extreme iching on tank sides and rocks, rough (scratched looking) skin (died within 2 days)
    Tank specs: (55gal) 80-84 F, pH 7.4, Ammonia 0, Nitrite .25ppm, Nitrate 5ppm (products used, wardley's ich sensitive and aquarium salt)
                        (10gal) 80 F, pH 7.4, Ammonia 0, Nitrite 0, Nitrate 10ppm (products used, ich attack and melafix)

    All my other fish (excluding the Rams because I just added them last night) are and were fine the entire time all this was going on. In fact, my blue cat is growing like a weed. He doesn't come out of his "hole" too often, but I saw him this morning and he has doubled his size within the last month. And his skin looks perfect. I checked on the 4-line pim who also stays in his own "hole", looks perfect. The gourami, which I inherited with the pictus, is doing just fine. The 2 plecos who looked covered in ich before moving the sharks, now look great. Also, I saw last night that 1 of my mollies is having babies (saw 3 so far) and they all look great.

    Current Tank Specs: (55gal) 81 F, pH 7.4, Ammonia 0, Nitrite 0, Nitrate 10ppm

    If anyone has an idea what happened to either the pictus or sharks PLEASE let me know...I'm seriously stumped :think: and VERY upset :sniff:
    75gal: 2 Blk Male Cons-Pair Firemouth+Fry-3 Sunset Gouramis-3 Hillstream "Butterfly" Loaches
    55gal: 2 Bol. Rams-1 4-Line Pim. Cat-10 Comunty Fish-1 Cmn? Pleco-1 Albino Bstlnose Pleco
    29gal: Tore down...For Sale!

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    Re: I'm stumped??

    When did you set the tank up?  It sounds like you just finished cycling your tank (according to your water parameters).  The stress from having ich, being in an uncycled tank, and the meds could be your cause.  That's my guess.  Hopefully some others will jump in for some other possibilities.
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    • #3
      Re: I'm stumped??

      Oh, I'm so sorry about your cats!

      I'm a bit stumped, as well.  :?  Could you give a timeline as to when each fish was added to the tank, if you remember? Did you recently add any fish (besides the rams)? This might help rule out whether any new fish brought something with them.

      The acrobatic swimming, as you called it, sounds like flashing. You don't have any ammonia, so that's good. This could be caused by some sort of parasite (ich included) that is irritating them.
      "Millennium hand and shrimp!"

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      • #4
        Re: I'm stumped??

        Also, do you happen to have any pictures of the sick ones?
        "Millennium hand and shrimp!"

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        • #5
          Re: I'm stumped??

          Here's the best timeline I can come up with:

          July 8th: Started tank
                11th: Added 47 “starter fish”
                22nd: Added 3 Sharks & 2 Blue cats
                23rd: Removed 20 “starter fish”
                23rd: Added Frizz Zyme
                24th: Removed 27 “starter fish”
                28th: Added 4-Line Pim and 2 Pleco
                29th: Added 2 Pictus & Gourami
                30th: Blue cats showing signs of ich, 4-Line took over blue cats “spot”..smaller blue cat stressed, Treated
                31st: 50% water change, added Stresscoat & Stresszyme
          Aug 3rd: Treated for ich (day late!)
                 4th or 5th: 1st blue cat died (was out of town)
                 5th: Did 50% water change, added Stresscoat & Stresszyme
                 6th: Treated for ich
                 7th: Did 50% water change, added Prime, Stresszyme & Aquarium Salt
                 8th: Pictus showing EXTREME sick signs
                 9th: Treated for ich
                 10th: Pictus dead, did 50% water change added Prime & Stresszyme
                 11th: Sharks "flashing". Moved sharks to 10gal, Refilled water into 55gal that was removed for 10gal added Prime (a drop!)
                 12th: Added 4 Rams, Mollies having babies
             
          10gal 11th: Moved Sharks in (water from 55gal), added stresscoat, ich attack & melafix; 1 dead
                     12th: Shark 2 dead, 50% water change (water from 55gal), added ich attack
                     13th: Shark 3 dead

          I have no pictures of the sick ones. The way I described is exactly how they looked. Sorry  

          Note: Several 25-30% water changes were done when tank was being established. Also did several water test (all written down at home). Water test never got extreme, only have current readings in head...as noted at beginning.
          75gal: 2 Blk Male Cons-Pair Firemouth+Fry-3 Sunset Gouramis-3 Hillstream "Butterfly" Loaches
          55gal: 2 Bol. Rams-1 4-Line Pim. Cat-10 Comunty Fish-1 Cmn? Pleco-1 Albino Bstlnose Pleco
          29gal: Tore down...For Sale!

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          • #6
            Re: I'm stumped??

            Wow, that's a great timeline, thanks.

            A couple more questions. Could you describe the bubbles/fins in a bit more detail? Just to be sure, you've reported so far that the skin looked like it was bubbling up, and you noticed red/blood streaked fins? And flashing/itching. How big were the "bubbles?" Did they vary in size? Were they circular, or several different, random shapes? What happened to them - did they get larger, 'deflate," etc.? Were they actual 3D bubbles, or just spots that looked like bubbles (i.e. blisters)? Anything else about the fins you can remember, or anything strange?

            Sorry for so many questions. It's just hard for me to get a picture of what happened in my head.
            "Millennium hand and shrimp!"

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            • #7
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              Pictus cats "bubbles" looked like ich only larger. They were mostly circular and oval shaped 3D bubbles/blisters I guess they can be called. They were a bit yellowish white in color. All over their skin...not on the fins or tail. Skin also looked flakey, like you could see a very thin looking layer of skin hanging off when they moved around. All the fins and tail were shredded looking with a blood color closest to their bodies. None of the described went away, they died within 48hrs of the signs.

              24hrs after the pictus dying:
              Sharks symptoms for all 3 were different. The initial one that I noticed had scratched looking skin and was flashing ALOT. The other 2 were flashing a bit but had no signs on their skin at all. After I moved all 3 to the hospital tank, the inital one with scratches got worse and died. By morning the second one looked flakey and scratched...10x worse than he did when I moved him, he passed. The last living one had NO surface signs at all, he just flashed ALOT and passed by this morning. Moved them all on Sat afternoon, All 3 were dead by this morning.

              It was horrifying to watch, I felt so helpless
              75gal: 2 Blk Male Cons-Pair Firemouth+Fry-3 Sunset Gouramis-3 Hillstream "Butterfly" Loaches
              55gal: 2 Bol. Rams-1 4-Line Pim. Cat-10 Comunty Fish-1 Cmn? Pleco-1 Albino Bstlnose Pleco
              29gal: Tore down...For Sale!

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              • #8
                Re: I'm stumped??

                Potentially it sounds like a fungus infection.   I had several fish that just went though a massive fungus infections.  I lost 16 of 17 fish.  Several never showed anything but stress... They all sat on the bottom of the tank and didnt move..  You know there is a problem when you can stick your hand in the tank and without any fight in the fish cup the fish not using a net or the glass to keep the fish there.
                Did you recall if the fish looked like they where gasping for air ?

                What fish do Jesper have
                180 WC T. Moorii Chilambo +1 Petro trewavasae.
                110
                Cyps, WC Xeno Spilopterus Kipili WC/F1/F2 T. sp red Kiku
                58 S. Decorus

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